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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

LRB 'Does anyone have the right to sex'

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RhuBarbarella · 16/03/2018 08:52

www.lrb.co.uk/v40/n06/amia-srinivasan/does-anyone-have-the-right-to-sex

This is a really interesting article. Not just about 'the right to sex' as such, but touching on issues about the politics of sex and desire, questioning morality and authoritarianism: looking at what people want and should want.

A fragment:
"n a recent piece for n+1, the feminist and trans theorist Andrea Long Chu argued that the trans experience, contrary to how we have become accustomed to think of it, ‘expresses not the truth of an identity but the force of a desire’. Being trans, she says, is ‘a matter not of who one is, but of what one wants’. She goes on:

I transitioned for gossip and compliments, lipstick and mascara, for crying at the movies, for being someone’s girlfriend, for letting her pay the check or carry my bags, for the benevolent chauvinism of bank tellers and cable guys, for the telephonic intimacy of long-distance female friendship, for fixing my make-up in the bathroom flanked like Christ by a sinner on each side, for sex toys, for feeling hot, for getting hit on by butches, for that secret knowledge of which dykes to watch out for, for Daisy Dukes, bikini tops, and all the dresses, and, my god, for the breasts. But now you begin to see the problem with desire: we rarely want the things we should.

This declaration, as Chu is well aware, threatens to bolster the argument made by anti-trans feminists: that trans women equate, and conflate, womanhood with the trappings of traditional femininity, thereby strengthening the hand of patriarchy. Chu’s response is not to insist, as many trans women do, that being trans is about identity rather than desire: about already being a woman, rather than wanting to become a woman. (Once one recognises that trans women are women, complaints about their ‘excessive femininity’ – one doesn’t hear so many complaints about the ‘excessive femininity’ of cis women – begin to look invidious.) Instead, Chu insists that ‘nothing good comes of forcing desire to conform to political principle,’ including desire for the very things that are the symptoms of women’s oppression: Daisy Dukes, bikini tops and ‘benevolent chauvinism’. She takes this to be ‘the true lesson of political lesbianism as a failed project’. What we need, in other words, is to fully exorcise the radical feminist ambition to develop a political critique of sex.

The argument cuts both ways. If all desire must be immune from political critique, then so must the desires that exclude and marginalise trans women: not just erotic desires for certain kinds of body, but the desire not to share womanhood itself with the ‘wrong’ kinds of woman. The dichotomy between identity and desire, as Chu suggests, is surely a false one; and in any case the rights of trans people should not rest on it, any more than the rights of gay people should rest on the idea that homosexuality is innate rather than chosen (a matter of who gay people are rather than what they want). But a feminism that totally abjures the political critique of desire is a feminism with little to say about the injustices of exclusion and misrecognition suffered by the women who arguably need feminism the most."

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UpstartCrow · 16/03/2018 08:57

But a feminism that totally abjures the political critique of desire is a feminism with little to say about the injustices of exclusion and misrecognition suffered by the women who arguably need feminism the most."

No one has the right to demand sex, or that another person desires them. That demand is something women have to deal with, a lot. Especially lesbians.

There are no anti trans feminists, unless 'trans' means 'men who demand women let them ignore boundaries'.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 16/03/2018 09:00

Desire is people's personal private business to negotiate. It shouldn't be legislated for.

ReluctantCamper · 16/03/2018 09:03

'Flanked like Christ by a sinner on each side'. Presumably they're the cis women being nice and accommodating as we should. Some trans women really do see us as bit part players in the AMAZING STORY OF ME don't they?

And yet the fact remains that humans cannot change sex, whatever they wear, whatever they do to their bodies.

DjunaBarnes · 16/03/2018 10:17

I read this and was infuriated by this. Theres no reference at all to Who thinks they have a right to sex: men. Women don't have this demand of sexual access to other people because it's a cultural thing. The whole essay is really weakened by the inability to name the problem: male entitlement to other peoples bodies. Presumably because the writer can't admit that transwomen are men.

ArcheryAnnie · 16/03/2018 11:04

Male-bodied person thinks they are the Messiah, flanked by compliant, imperfect women.

Nowt new here.

ElenOfTheWays · 16/03/2018 11:25

This is just a long winded way of saying. "Women do feminism wrong because it's not about men."

Where have we heard that before? Hmmmm Hmm

BarrackerBarmer · 16/03/2018 14:11

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Man writes words.

Ereshkigal · 16/03/2018 15:15

Some trans women really do see us as bit part players in the AMAZING STORY OF ME don't they?

So much. This is a perfect description Grin

Ereshkigal · 16/03/2018 15:31

What a lot of pseudy nonsense that article is.

Once one recognises that trans women are women, complaints about their ‘excessive femininity’ – one doesn’t hear so many complaints about the ‘excessive femininity’ of cis women – begin to look invidious.)

Well I don't, and I never will. I don't consider TIMs "excessively feminine" because they are men. I consider them to be performing their male gaze idea of women.

thanksjaneshusbandatcaresouth · 16/03/2018 16:14

There was another London or New York review article by a Russian who transitioned. After cancer I think. I forget which way!

Anyway, the author described it as an adventure, an exploration, an opportunity to be taken.

It was rather honest and reflection.

thanksjaneshusbandatcaresouth · 16/03/2018 16:14

Honest and refreshing.....

thanksjaneshusbandatcaresouth · 17/03/2018 15:31

I have read it now:

I agree with this bit:

“It is striking, though unsurprising, that while men tend to respond to sexual marginalisation with a sense of entitlement to women’s bodies, women who experience sexual marginalisation typically respond not with talk of entitlement but empowerment. Or, insofar as they do speak of entitlement, it is entitlement to respect, not to other people’s bodies”.

Worth reading.

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