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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Hope Giselle transwoman - pro-women video

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terfsRus · 16/03/2018 08:09

Hope Giselle is an American transwoman who got a lot of hate for speaking out against TRAs but she basically nails it:

www.facebook.com/hope.disguised/videos/1878968378830814/

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BossWitch · 16/03/2018 08:29

I. Love. Her.

Wobbleslikeaweeble · 16/03/2018 08:33

Wow, hope they’re strong enough for the reaction. The comments rolling in - bloody hell - never seen anything like that.

BossWitch · 16/03/2018 08:38

I read through a few comments- she seemed pretty sure of herself in her replies. I would guess (stereotyping here, sorry) that as a black American male who then transitioned at 22 I think she said, she's dealt with a lot of nasty shit in her time.

terfsRus · 16/03/2018 08:41

She's even stating that the bullying of the trans cult is a male trait!

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TheGoldenBough · 16/03/2018 08:45

She's a bit awesome, isn't she?

I'm even willing to overlook the fact she uses 'cis'.

The vitriol in some of those replies though..!

steppemum · 16/03/2018 08:48

That is some video. She is amazing
She is going to get slaughtered though

jaimelannistersgoldenhand · 16/03/2018 09:00

"Transactivism isn't learning the best ways to lie about past experience and genetics it's about share stories, fighting for justice and bridging gaps you can't hate females and wanna be one at the same time!"

The people who think MN is transphobic need to read that quote. It's so spot on. Love her Thanks

steppemum · 16/03/2018 09:01

It is quite startling how telling the truth sounds shocking, and it makes me realise how far away from basics facts this debate has become.

eg - when she says - you have never had a period so no, you don't know what it is liek to have period cramps, and no you cannot join in that discussion.

or - no, you don't know what it is like to have grown up experiencing discrimination from an early age, so you cannot pretend that you do.

It sounds/feels as if she is saying something that is very shocking, and yet it is just basic truth

TheGoldenBough · 16/03/2018 09:03

She's very calm and measured in how she handles them though.

I find a lot of the "this is why cis women like you; you're denying your womanhood" type responses so disingenuous though.

She doesn't once deny her 'woman'ness. All she says is that she is not female and cannot share that experience. That's just a fact. How can anyone object to that and retain any credibility?

And this is what is confusing the issue. I am actually more than happy to share public toilets, cubicled changing rooms etc with TWomen like her and always have been.

The people who throw all of my walls and barriers up are the L Ms of the world who insist that they are the same and attempt to ban any reference to any female experience they cannot share.

This is where it becomes not about different kinds of women and all about erasure. Especially when some of those 'different' women are blatantly and obviously men.

OvaHere · 16/03/2018 09:15

That was great. So much truth.

How about we see more of Hope and less of Paris Lees in the media.

Ereshkigal · 16/03/2018 09:41

There's one comment where someone (because she mentions "cis" women needing their own space says "what about AFAB trans people, you are denying them their safe space". AFAB trans people are "men" so why would they need to be in women's space, by their rules. They can't even keep their own logic straight.

Ekphrasis · 16/03/2018 10:47

Wow, brilliant.

At times, it was almost rolling into performance poetry she was so confident and assured.

I'd like LM to take some notes from her please.

She really emphasises 'female' too, which is the main point. And I liked that she didn't actually say cis woman. She did say cis gendered but it doesn't feel as difficult to me.

And I agree; I have no issue sharing a toilet with a tw like this, as I know how much respect she is capable of showing and recognises the difference. And the need for space.

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