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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Awesome young girl! Modelling boys Zara clothes

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holycheeseplant · 14/03/2018 08:25

A 7 year old has asked Zara if she can model for their boys section. She hated being forced to wear a bridesmaid dress when younger and is the boys range's no 1 fan.

A 5 year old bridesmaid at my wedding wore a Tux for similar reasons :)

My only gripe is that, as in the words of Gloria Steinem,

"We've begun to raise daughters more like sons... but few have the courage to raise our sons more like our daughters."

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/girl-writes-zara-model-boys-clothing-hates-dresses-eliza-brichto-a8210201.html

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ATailofTwoKitties · 14/03/2018 08:57

Are those their boys' clothes then? I have to say, they look pretty much like DD's usual choice of clothes.

MrsJayy · 14/03/2018 09:01

They look like leggings and a hoody a pair of jeans and a hoody Ihonestly don't know what the hoha is about.

Fekko · 14/03/2018 09:03

No biggie. We were wearing'boys' back in 70s!

As long as people don't try to make it into a 3 ring gender circus.

MrsJayy · 14/03/2018 09:08

Indeed fekko

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NeverTwerkNaked · 14/03/2018 09:10

Why is it more awesome for her to wear boys clothes? I don’t get this, it’s superficial feminism at best. Wear what you want to wear. My daughter is no less awesome because she likes pink and sparkly stuff. She’s fierce and feisty and determined. Wearing a different coloured hoody wouldn’t change that.

MrsJayy · 14/03/2018 09:13

I wonder if parents of Eliza had a hand in her letter writing a look how coolour Dd is in her hoody.

upsideup · 14/03/2018 09:33

"We've begun to raise daughters more like sons... but few have the courage to raise our sons more like our daughters."

Yeah, we need to get rid of 'girls' clothes and allow boys to where pink and thrills if they want.
Girls are already allowed to wear boys clothes, very few people see leggings and a hoddie as boys clothes, that little girl isnt doing anything amazing shes just wearing clothes. If anything in todays times it more brave for a boy or a girl to want to wear pink dresses as people veiw you below the awesome little girls who are brave enough to wear 'boys clothes'.

2rebecca · 14/03/2018 09:43

Children's clothes are far more sexually stereotyped than adults' clothes much like children's toys. I struggled to find smart clothes for my son when he was under 10 where as there were loads of formal dresses for girls and my daughter had to buy boys' rugby tops. Outside work my husband and I wear very similar clothes. As children have similar shaped bodies pre-puberty they should just classify the clothing according to type eg dresses, trousers, hoodies rather than gender.

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Branleuse · 14/03/2018 09:47

Little girl looks stylish and comfortable in her practical clothes

2rebecca · 14/03/2018 09:47

Agree that a boy wearing a dress and proclaiming he is still a boy and should be able to wear what he wants would be braver than a girl in leggings. I think there are more m to f transsexuals because the masculine world is more rigid

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 14/03/2018 09:50

What she's wearing aren't actually "boys" clothes, though, are they? She'd certainly turn far fewer heads walking down the street than a boy in a pink tutu, sorry if that offends anybody.

holycheeseplant · 14/03/2018 10:18

She'd certainly turn far fewer heads walking down the street than a boy in a pink tutu, sorry if that offends anybody.

And that's the issue.

It is a bit Hmm that this is 'news' as yes, we've been doing it for donkeys years.

However. Much has been made more recently of those girls who prefer boys clothes being butch. Butch = lesbian, butch is bad, or needing to become trans which nearly solves the 'issue' (that society can't cope with non stereotyping. And is inherently sexist.)

It's a good point - why don't girls model the boys stuff? Why do we have separate clothes anyway? But most importantly to me is the implication that a boy who'd like to model the girls things and still be considered a boy (and not gay).

Children's high st clothing is appallingly stereotyped. When buying some good strong jeans for my ds who was 4.5, I noticed that the jeans 'for girls' in gap were considerably softer to the touch, which was nice in comparison to the boys much stiffer ones, and I contemplated those from a comfort POV, but then decided the knees would wear through too quickly so got the other 'boy' ones (which have weathered well.)

Yes, we didn't bat an eyelid wearing boys clothes in the past. There wasn't really much difference. It's significant this has to be news, but refreshing that she's so sure of her sex in the context of quite a few articles about trans boys I've read recently.

I know another astute, self confident girl who similarly shunned all the girls stuff and indeed made a fuss about the fact her School refused to allow girls to wear shorts in hot weather. It is no big deal.

But, I wonder why so many see it as a big deal... 🤔

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MrsJayy · 14/03/2018 10:26

It is imo all advertising though have a look at the River island genderless campaign or some such guffage articles like this don't actually mean anything because genderless nonbinary blah de blah is on trend so it ups Sales if retailers are right on

swivelchair · 14/03/2018 10:27

Total aside, but I used to get my elder son's trousers from the Zara girls side - they fit him better, they were cheaper, came in more colours, and seemed to have more lycra so he liked them better (although it did mean they were thinner - so not so great for winter)

For stuff like trousers, t-shirts etc. the only reason I didn't get more is if it had frills (glitter fine, but I don't like frills myself).

I agree - just have a kids section, and let whoever where whatever - including the tutus - let them have fun at the photo shoots, why not - are they selling the clothes, or a lifestyle (ha. Maybe don't answer that one.)

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 14/03/2018 10:30

Well, exactly, MrsJayy. So called "boys" clothes are genderless already, given that anyone can wear them without raising an eyebrow.

ATailofTwoKitties · 14/03/2018 10:59

I'm of the era that simply passed down the green-tracksuit-with-white-stripe down the family of five, regardless of sex, gender or fit.

SuitedandBooted · 14/03/2018 11:10

Is this what we come to in 2018 - girls wearing sensible, comfy clothes they can actually play in is a THING? Look at this crap from Mermaids (pic)
Think what this is telling parents and kids. Is your (primary) aged son not performing "Boy " properly? Does he like cuddly toys/dressing up/glitter, - are you worried he might be a bit (whisper!) GAY? Never fear, you can just rebrand him as a girl!

I am so, so glad that I was born in the Sixties, and had sensible parents, with all their critical faculties. I remember actually wanting to be a boy when I was between 4 and 9ish, as I had a tough soldier Dad, and I thought boy's (and men's) lives looked more fun. I had short hair, would never wear dresses, and was an all round tough and sporty child. My parents did NOTHING, it was never an issue. They just let me play with (toy!) guns, bought the chemistry set and Meccano I asked for, encouraged my adventurous tendencies and let me get on with. But I was always a girl - just not a "girly" one.

I gradually grew out of it (as the vast majority of kids do), and here I am in my 50's, married, and a Mum. I wear both "mannish" and "feminine" clothes, have a strong scientific bent,and am a dab hand at DIY (even if I do say it myself!). None of that makes me Trans, Gay, or (god help us) Non-Binary. I am just a normal WOMAN!

How can we still have these stereotypes? I raise my children to play with what they want, BE what they want, with no restrictions, - surely that is progressive. How the Hell can Mermaids and the whole Trans thing be somehow held up as modren, and forward thinking, if people are being slotted into pink and blue boxes?

I would really fear for my 1960's self if she was alive today.

Awesome young girl! Modelling boys Zara clothes
NeverTwerkNaked · 14/03/2018 12:01

Agree with every word suitedandbooted .

NeverTwerkNaked · 14/03/2018 12:06

plus let’s let our children shift and change from day to day. And pay less attention to the superficial. My daughter isn’t “awesome” on the days she wears and orange t-shirt and blue leggings, she’s just as strong and amazing when she chooses to dress in pink frills.

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