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www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5497805/If-equality-comes-cost-men-not-worth-it.html

There is a lot of societal pressure on men and on women. Quite different kinds of pressures but same result = anxiety, stress, confusion.

Poor guy that died.

So 95% of the prison population is male, and this is somehow a result of feminism? Maybe men should, oh, I don’t know, just stop committing crimes if they don’t want to go to prison?

Terribly tragic he killed himself but mental illness support is lacking for everyone.
gender stereotypes help no one.

even for women having to hide mental illness in case you're judged as incompetent hormonal hysterical or emotional... its not just hard and confusing for men.

Surely the pressure on men to conform to their gender stereotypes is at least partly the cause of high male suicide rates? How typically despicable of Sarah Vine to be exploiting the tragic death of Zoe Ball's partner to make a ludicrous and ill-informed political point.

In 1901 - not a noted period of feminist supremacy? - there were 152 male prisoners per 100,000 male population vs 27 female. (Source here - PDF link). Maybe this was caused by men feeling the pressure of the suffragettes? Some longer term trends can be found here - I assume Vine included all of this research within her original article and it was cut for space by the editor. In 1750 it was 6 men per 1 woman in prison.

Health avoidance by men is also a real problem - and and also linked to toxic, traditional beliefs about masculinity.

So a Marco Rubio-style slow hand clap for having accidentally made the opposite point from the one intended. If any point was actually intended beyond generating click bait and fuelling hatred.

What ever mental difficulties men face I am truly sorry. Access to help is vital and it's a shame stereotypes make people unable to cope with being different.

But how the hell is it women's fault that they are unable to act like a human being. How are adults old enough to date and have sex together unable to discuss who pays a bill.

Onve again women responsible for men's behaviour

Just like when we wear short skirts and expect them to control them selves.

Whaaaaat? How dare she blame feminism for men killing themselves. She is suggesting that men kill themselves because its do hard knowing whether or not you can ask a woman out on a date without bring accused of assault? How fucking dare she be so disingenuous? What is wrong with her?

We women have to help men find a renewed purpose in our more equal society.

Yes, now that we gave started to claw back some form of equality, it is women's job to help these poor men find a new purpose.

The suicide rates amongst men are terrible. And of course I want us to try and find a way to help men out of the circle of toxic masculinity that means their mental health deteriorates until its too late.

But to lay it all at the door of feminism and say 'ladies, this your fault, sort it out'?

Fuck off Sarah Vine!

What a way to miss the point!
There IS a massive issue about men's mental health - just as there is about women's. I don't know what the solution is but I do know that people who write some of the unpleasant 'people - shaming' garbage that Sarah Vine does on occasions, contributes to the problem.

Given that her partner is the politician who told us that Britain is fed up of experts telling us what to do, she is presumably promoting this 'delusions are us' approach in her writing.

She is an idiot. That's all.

Some information on historical suicide rates - male suicide rates have always been higher than female suicide rates, peaking at 4:1 in the 1880s.

Mental health issues for diagnosis and treatment follow the same path initially as cancer diagnosis, and other illnesses don't they? (I'm speaking from my experience - I've had depression and went to see my doctor, I had a lump in my breast and went to see my doctor)

So if men have high incidences of death by cancer because they won't visit a doctor for a diagnosis, then equally you'd expect them not to visit a doctor for a diagnosis of depression, which ultimately could lead to a very tragic path.

But why is it a woman's fault that men generally won't/don't visit doctors?

I can't remember any part of feminism fighting for this?

There are plenty of women like Vine in highly paid, influential jobs, bashing feminism. They must suffer from enormous cognitive dissonance.

What a dreadful article. That poor guy's suicide twisted to fit a misogynist POV. He had a number of struggles and she is being very disingenuous.

She isn’t missing the point and there’s no cognitive dissonance.

She knows exactly what she’s doing and doesn’t believe a word of what she writes.

Her articles are pure click bait and she knows it. It’s getting harder for print journalists to be relevant and more seem to be taking the “troll” route.

She’s even doing the smirk in her photo now. Tragic.

Sorry but couldn’t get past the first line saying we have a “formidable” female Prime minister.

Incredible imbecility.

Not even original imbecility. I've been listening to this bollocks for years. It's tiring.

Argh.

It's such a sad story, but if you consider the sorts of elements explored in that bbc doc "no more girls and boys" - where they demonstrated that the way young boys are taught to be strong and brave to have value and have zero emotional literacy as that's "girly", impacted on some boys reactions to failure by becoming very angry and violent, you realise that actually, gc feminism is trying to work against this.

The program even briefly linked boys poor emotional skills, self regulation skills and over promotion of masculinity to male violence and the percentage of men in prisons.

She's got it a bit inside out. It's really not them worrying over flowers for a woman.

This campaign in Australia explores how these gender stereotypes affect suicide rates in men. manup.org.au

The other day it was, ‘How being fat shamed made me lose 3 stone’.

The two things are not linked. Male mental health is obviously linked to our society. That MEN make and shape . We as women are forced to live in it too and are even more subjugated in it and now we are blamed when it harms men too?! And expected to put it right?! The womans mad.