If you honestly don't think man/ woman are defined by genitals can I ask if you "assigned" a gender to your child? Or would you?

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Because if you asssigned your vagina owning child the title "girl" or "daughter" I'm going to call bullshit on the whole thing. That or abuse.

Choosing to have your child labelled as "female" with the risks of sexual abuse, the risks of poverty, the risks of being ignored.... well why would you? You'd give your child a unisex name at least and call them a boy.

Here's an article that describes the harmful, cruel, violent, practice of infant gender assignment by medical personnel. No really, it does. Read it for yourself

http://amp.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/06/26/infantgenderrassignmentunnecessaryyandpotentiallyy_harmful.html

OP
most people who bleat on about "genitals being completely irrelevant to what gender you are" and suchlike are usually of the rebellious teen demographic.
Adolescent.
Childless.

They grow out of it.

It will do your mental health the world of good to ignore the bs teenagers are coming out with on the Internet.

What patodp said - there's no need to get wound up about what a few teenagers on the Internet are saying.

If sex is coercively assigned at birth (which is nonsense) why is there sex selection - and therefore abortion - of female fetuses in countries like India and China?

If sex is coercively assigned at birth, then why are countries that value men over women (for example, Afghanistan and Pakistan) not almost completely populated by men?

If sex is assigned then parents in those countries would overwhelmingly assign their children to be male.

So how you do you bring your child up "gender neutral"? Does it mean that you have to make sure that you don't give them any "boy" toys or any "girl toys"? Presumably they can only wear trousers, but they mustn't be "boy trousers" or "girl trousers". You have to refer to them as "they" at all times.

I've been wondering if these puberty blockers they've been taking meaning they don't go through puberty means they never mature? Are this generation going to be stroppy teenagers forever? What a thought!

I was asked on a survey I filled in this morning whether I was the gender I was assigned at birth . As my DF encouraged me to show characteristics that are more traditionally "assigned" to boys, I could say no, but then my DM liked me to be pretty and tidy up, so, erm, which assignation do I pick? The survey actually let me skip the question, but if it hadn't I think I would have to say no I wasn't the gender assigned at birth because I wasn't assigned a gender only a sex. Though I appreciate that's not really what the question is trying to get at. I feel like not answering any of the gender questions anymore. When I do the can we guess type Facebook quizzes I generally come out as a teenage boy, though I am actually a middle aged woman!

Oops, sex/gender...rookie mistake on my part

Biologically speaking (and I'm happy to be told I'm wrong as this is far from my area of expertise), those men who wish to be female, only want "the right to be who they feel they are" based on the window dressing of what they define a woman to be. Hair, make up, and dresses. It's fucking offensive.

The only clothing items I can think of which are truly sex specific; are bras, breastfeeding tops, and boxer shorts with an opening for the penis.

When a male says they feel like a female though, I do wonder why it always has to boil down to, "I want to grow my hair long and wear pretty dresses and shoes".
I've never met a M2F (and I've met a fair few) who want to be a neutral, jeans & trainers woman like so many of us are unless we're going somewhere special.
It's always 'woman' to the extreme physical stereotype; heels and dresses, long hair and a face full of make up.

We deduce whether the people we meet are male or female based on their physical appearance- not the clothing they wear.
So a short haired woman wearing no make up, jeans, and trainers will always look feminine because she has the biological facial and physical features and shape of the woman she is.
A long haired male wearing make up and typically 'female clothes', will always look like a man in a dress. Which he is

It will do your mental health the world of good to ignore the bs teenagers are coming out with on the Internet.

Unfortunately they aren't all teenagers though are they? Unless teenagers now post on MN and also put photos of themselves on twitter as middle aged males with way too much lycra an way too little arse coverage.

Easy to ignore though and pretend it isn't becoming main stream when "gender assigned at birth" is regularly asked by offical websites.

tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/care-and-treatment/our-clinical-services/gender-identity-development-service-gids/

NHS^ there using assigned at birth.

Either you are assigned a sex at birth or you are observed to be a certain sex. Both can't be true.

It will do your mental health the world of good to ignore the bs teenagers are coming out with on the Internet.

It really would. Except this bullshit is forming national policy, consultations have taken place and are taking place, and law will be based on it. For a number of possible reasons, all political parties are buying into the bullshit hook, line and sinker and this will radically and negatively affect the rights of women in the uk

This is unfortunately not the time to stick your head in the sand, however stupid and tedious it gets.

Yup I'd love to be able to ignore TA bullcrap, I've had to ration my going on Twitter because of its effects on my mh but I'm afraid as pp says it can't be ignored when it's having such a huge negative effect on the real world rights of women and girls.

It's time to push back.

It's NOT "just teenagers" saying this.

Does anyone know if there has been opposition to this stuff in countries where the law has already changed?

The expression "Assigned female/male at birth" makes me internally rage in itself .

There is no such thing as 'assigning of sex'. Aside from the 0.04% of chromasomal abnormalities which make determining a child's sex at birth difficult to ascertain, your sex is definite, it is not 'assigned'. You are male, or you are female.
That has a definite consequence from conception, not birth.

How you 'feel' is irrelevant, what you are is the truth. And the only part of a male that can ever be scientifically defined as female, is roughly half of the DNA contained in their sperm cells.

'Assigned' makes it sound like a guess; a pot-luck decision based on how the Midwife or Obstetrician sees the newborn, thinks "you can be a boy/girl" and decides to go with that choice.

You're one or the other. How you then dress this definite male or female is your own choice.

The guidance document for Scottish schools linked to below uses the term sex assigned at birth as well as cis.

16 Scottish Local Authorities endorse it.

This stuff is not just teenagers on the internet, I only wish it were.

www.lgbtyouth.org.uk/files/documents/Supporting_Transgender_Young_People_-_Digital_version.pdf