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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Excellent article on gender stereotyping of children by Islabikes

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2rebecca · 09/03/2018 09:59

www.islabikes.co.uk/knowledge/about-us/pink-is-not-the-problem/?dm_i=2QC2,O06B,8I0W5,2GRYG,1
Love this article. Sums up my views perfectly.

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holycheeseplant · 09/03/2018 20:53

Oh yes to the fanny damage on the cross bar, but I also always queried that it would be as bad or worse for a boy!

I must say I do now prefer the low bar as it can be awkward to have a high bar just generally, even without skirts, and men would probably find them easier.

That's interesting that our skeletal shape might have a baring on the bike shape though in terms of pelvis, breasts and handle bars. no doubt deemed transphobic

Side saddle jumping Shock

2rebecca · 09/03/2018 20:54

As a keen cyclist most women cyclists ride male bikes which we just see as "bikes". Ladies bikes are a weird anomaly for people wanting to ride flappy garments on bikes.
Having said that bikes without crossbars are great as you get older if you have arthritic hips and my dad has a ladies bike for that reason. Bromptons are unisex bikes that are skirt compatible as well.
Padded shorts and a decent women's saddle are essential if you're going to cycle more than just down the street though.

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cheminotte · 09/03/2018 20:55

Love Isla Bikes and especially the fact they don't do tassles!

Olga81 · 09/03/2018 21:28

Removing the crossbar sacrifices some of the rigidity/strength of the frame which is why it isn't standard. Probably less of an issue with modern materials (or if you make them weigh a ton like Boris bikes!)

Squishysquirmy · 09/03/2018 21:31

Waddlelikeapenguin horseback archery!
I knew someone who used to do that and it is certainly challenging! (Sorry for digression).

Squishysquirmy · 09/03/2018 21:33

Ahh. I also misread "needed" as " needs". So my digression was pointless as well as irrelevant- ignore me waddle

Very refreshing article.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 10/03/2018 01:01

Grin Squishysquirmy i actually have a different friend who does hungarian horseback archery (not quite the right term i think but it's late & brain is not working well). She's my go to for the zombie apocalypse Wink

FlaviaAlbia · 10/03/2018 07:22

That is a brilliant article.

I have a few bikes, 2 women's specific and one mens. I've had to change a fair few parts on the man's one for comfort. Ll for my shape and size, it's important for comfort that the women's bikes aren't just mens painted pink, which so many are.

My road bike is women's specific and has a shorter stem, narrower bars, smaller brake levers and different geometry to the mens equivalent bike from the same brand. I love it, it's just so comfortable over long distances.

GertieMotherwell · 10/03/2018 07:29

Islabikes are great.

Take a look at Frog bikes too.
They’re excellent

ElanorGamgee · 10/03/2018 07:34

pisa, interesting selection of posts from the ctc forum there Hmm!

I have been on tha forum for years, plenty of lovely people, plenty of people who need to get out more, just like anywhere.

There are some lovely posters, one of the men on one of those threads designs bikes, or used to, now retired. I know him through my bike club and he is so helpful with getting fit right, recognises that the bike industry is dominated by men who might not necessarily understand women’s fit, but he does and would help anyone.

Your selection doesn’t show a true reflection of the ctc forum at all.

forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=109621&start=15

A dropped top tube isn’t as strong as a straight one or slightly sloping one, touring for instance, you couldn’t carry the same weight with a traditional women’s frame.

Spudlet · 10/03/2018 07:47

Massive digression, but the history of sidesaddle is really interesting. It wasn't a thing at all originally - women rode astride in skirts. Then (I believe it was her) Catherine de Medici started slinging one leg over the pommel of her standard saddle and eventually it became a 'decency' thing.

Early side saddles were scary - they just had a sort of cup that your top leg sat in. Modern ones have a leaping head - it's hard to explain but basically it sits above the lower leg (the one in the stirrup) so you can brace against it rather than just balancing and hoping for the beat! The 'cup' bit has been replaced by a pommel which sits above the leaping head so you can squeeze the two between your thighs - it feels extremely secure. The downside is that if you have a fall you might well not be thrown clear (especially in a riding habit, although these are now aprons over jodhpurs rather than proper long skirts) and if you have a rotational fall (ie the horse flipping on top of you) there are two big sticky out bits handy to pierce any internal organs they may encounter. However the leaping head gave women the freedom to gallop, jump and hunt so it was fairly revolutionary. Before that you would either be stuck riding pillion behind a man or risking your neck.

Women started riding astride again around ww1 (well, I don't think Hey ever completely stopped but it became slightly more socially acceptable), when women were used to train remounts for the battlefield. At the same time I have heard of injured soldiers taking up sidesaddle in order to carry on riding after the war.

It's really interesting (I think) as it ties in with horses going from a manly, heroic, working, fighting animal to a 'girly' leisure pursuit - Susanna Forrest writes about this really well, and also not from memory in her pyjamas like I am Grin. Equine sports now have a much higher female than male participation rate in many countries, despite women and men competing equally.

pisacake · 10/03/2018 09:10

"pisa, interesting selection of posts from the ctc forum there hmm!

I have been on tha forum for years, plenty of lovely people, plenty of people who need to get out more, just like anywhere."

"Your selection doesn’t show a true reflection of the ctc forum at all. "

I had a quick look through and pretty much half the threads (of which there are only 23) are by men. Posts about breasts and what not. forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=118388

Obviously the gendered tone of the place is male, just as a car forum would be or whatever.

MiaowTheCat · 10/03/2018 11:27

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FlaviaAlbia · 10/03/2018 13:07

Just in case it's useful to anyone, I'm sure I've read that Isla bike is moving to a hire scheme soon which seems a good idea. It arrives in good condition and you send it back when they're ready to move up to the next size.

pisacake · 10/03/2018 13:48

I'm not sure that they are

www.islabikes.co.uk/imagine-project/

They are talking about basically a sort of Boris Bike for kids, it's basically a Dutch bike, rather than a modern bike which has lots of wear parts.

www.islabikes.co.uk/imagine-project/introducing-first-imagine-project-prototype/

It's not completely clear that it's advantageous to the consumer as the Islabikes are very easy to sell anyway.

ElanorGamgee · 10/03/2018 16:39

You are being a bit daft now Pisa. This is why, as a female with a STEM career in a traditionally male role I stay away from this section of the boards normally.

How about this, a post started by a female with lots of very helpful and detailed advice. Something you might not want highlighted here?

As a woman whenever I have posted on the CTC forum I have received helpful advice. Of course it is male driven, as is cycling, but in the main, everyone is very encouraging.

forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&p=1215108#p1215108

pisacake · 10/03/2018 21:16

I'm not sure if we are disagreeing exactly, I'm just pointing out that the 'women's cycling' forum is at least 50% men.

It's not that the CTC forum is not helpful or whatever, I'm just observing that gender stereotyping in cycling goes way beyond children's bikes.

ElanorGamgee · 11/03/2018 05:06

Not gender stereotyping at all in my view but acknowledgement that women have different needs than men in cycling terms.

As a woman I rarely post in the specific section for women because I don’t feel I need to, my posts rarely have anything to do with me being a woman.

One of the most active mods is a women.

Examples of how women might need something different from the CTC forum and things I found really useful to read at the time.

www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/sensitive_issues.pdf

www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/more_sensitive_issues.pdf

The response of the CTC’s technical director (male) to a problem I had some years back, not in the women’s section, his response had nothing to do with my gender.

Your experience neatly illustrates the gulf of misunderstanding that persists between the dominant athletic male class of cyclist, and the rest of us. They just don't get how different cycling is for people who weigh less and don't have the muscle bulk (or inclination) to push or twist or heave any harder, but are working close to our absolute limit most of the time, just to get there, eventually, by dogged persistence!

So I do disagree Pisa, absolutely.

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