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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

This is gold

53 replies

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/03/2018 17:40

Not seen this blog before. I think most regulars here will see what's coming from the first line. Grin

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Bejazzled · 08/03/2018 19:13

That 'knuckle cracking' 'stern' 'dismissive' utter bastard of a doctor. How dare he tell my my child's biological sex. I'm raging.

Ffs, no wonder Canada under Trudeau is bonkers

Elendon · 08/03/2018 19:13

If sex is completely irrelevant, how do we know who needs cross-sex hormones?

Brilliant. Just brilliant. Thank you BeyondDeadlySiren

I have just written that down for future reference.

HairyBallTheorem · 08/03/2018 19:17

In the shorter term (way before I have to face the question of which offspring require which sort of cross-sex hormones) - if I have a towel at the ready to catch wee from a be-penised infant's willy during nappy change, does that make me a horribly biologically-reductive bigot? Enquiring minds need to know...

SusanBunch · 08/03/2018 19:39

That 'knuckle cracking' 'stern' 'dismissive' utter bastard of a doctor. How dare he tell my my child's biological sex.

I know right? If the doctor hadn't told you, you would have been completely oblivious until your child was 2 and discovered a penchant either for barbies or trucks. It's not like anyone who is not medically trained has any idea what those bits between the legs actually are- hence the need for the doctor to come and do a specific examination and declaration after you have given birth and actually seen the baby.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 08/03/2018 19:53

I heard a wonderful transwoman on YouTube saying how she realised that assigned gender was a nonsense when she mused about what would happen if we just randomly assigned male and female to babies whatever their genitals. Would a baby born with a penis, but assigned female at birth, be classed as transgender if they presented in a wholly masculine way?

Dallia · 08/03/2018 19:59

Utter nonsense.

AngryAttackKittens · 08/03/2018 20:11

Also, you should take people's gender identity at face value without needing to see their genitals apparently.

This argument drives me nuts, and the fetishism underlying it is a lot more obvious than the people making it might hope.

The women questioning your presence in toilets, changing rooms, etc don't want to see your dangly bits, guys. We really, really don't. That is in fact one of the reasons why we'd prefer that you not use those spaces. Trying to frame our discomfort with having men in those spaces as a desire to inspect their genitalia comes across as very very male, and anyone who's ever been involved in the BSDM community will spot the fetishism going on there from miles away. Nope, sorry, not interested in being your provider of sexualized humiliation when I nip into the loos at the shopping center for a quick pee.

In terms of the article in general, I've peak transed so many people by showing them this because the idea of doctors as Dr Evil-like figures snatching infants away from their mother's loving arms to perform the wicked procedure known as "noticing what sex the infant is" is so ludicrous.

Gacapa · 08/03/2018 20:15

That man has no fucking brain.

SophoclesTheFox · 08/03/2018 20:25

That man has no fucking brain

but the crucial question is - is it a ladybrain that is missing?

OlennasWimple · 08/03/2018 20:28

Personally, I was "identified as medically female at birth" (meaning I Am FAB Wink )

AngryAttackKittens · 08/03/2018 20:28

If you have a ladybrain does it show up as bright pink if they put you through an MRI?

MinesaBottle · 08/03/2018 20:32

Shit, I'm wearing aftershave (well, fragrance aimed at gender conforming males) today! And when I was born, the doctor's opinion was that I was female! Who do I bleat to?

MrGHardy · 08/03/2018 20:39

"Why is it so wrong to be a feminine male or a masculine female? "

I ask this repeatedly on Twitter, I never receive an answer.

AngryAttackKittens · 08/03/2018 20:47

Your mum, obviously, Minesa, since she failed to clutch you to her bosom firmly enough, thus allowing the evil doctor to misgender you. Just remember, if in doubt, it's always a woman's fault!

TerfsUp · 08/03/2018 20:50

Christin Scarlett Milloy is full of nonsense.

rosy71 · 08/03/2018 23:17

Surely the "gender assigned at birth" was by a female midwife rather than a male doctor???

PinkyPieismyspiritanimal · 09/03/2018 00:06

looks up from curtain swatches What on earth was that piffle?

TerfyMcTerface · 09/03/2018 00:17

Sex is assigned at conception.

That’s a helpful reminder. Next time I get asked what my gender assigned at birth is, I will reply that my sex assigned at conception is female.

CapnHaddock · 09/03/2018 03:50

In a similar vein, this woman is using IWD to tell women that if you see a male bodied person in your spa, remember, it's just a penis, get over it: www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-this-international-womens-day-feminists-should-finally-accept/
Canada really has jumped the shark

EmmaGrundyForPM · 09/03/2018 04:22

What a load of bollocks.

PetraDelphiki · 09/03/2018 04:42

I think I’d rather say “my sex was fixed at conception” rather than decided or assigned...there’s no choice in the matter! IF a sperm carrying an X chromosome meets an ova (by definition carrying an x) then your sex is “xx” commonly know as female! Explanation to be used for the hard of thinking!

SusanBunch · 09/03/2018 07:10

CapnHaddock I think you should post a separate thread with that link from Canada. Fucking. Hell. It's just a penis, get over it. I don't even know what to say. Perhaps the writer would like to tell that to victims of rape and sexual assault. The reason women have an issue with penises in female spaces has NOT got anything to do with how aesthetically pleasing they are for fucks sake.

Also, the writer uses De Beauvoir to back up her shitty logic. That is the complete fucking opposite of what De Beauvoir says. In that our experiences make us women- the way we are treated, the opportunities we are given and denied. To me, that suggests that gender/sex is NOT something that is innate or a 'feeling' or a ladybrain. It's the fact that due to our biology, society treats us differently to men. And some guy chillaxing with his unoperated penis on display in a women's spa will not have had those experiences, no matter how much he shouts that he is a real woman.

Also, HOW can MTFs be more likely than cis women to suffer domestic violence in intimate relationships? I have seen this stat bandied around quite a lot in recent days. Where is it from because I do not trust it one bit? We know that the abusers are largely heterosexual men. Het men do not have relationships with MTF. Who is doing the abusing of these MTFs?

TerfsUp · 09/03/2018 07:22

Petra, that is an excellent point.

I hate the term "assigned" when it is used to describe someone's sex. "Assigned" makes it sound arbitrary, as though medical staff say "Well, we've delivered three babies already today and we've assigned them all to be male so the next three we will assign to be female so that we have a nice balance. Tomorrow we'll have a different quota."

TerfsUp · 09/03/2018 07:23

Yeah. Canada has gone loopy on gender.

Datun · 09/03/2018 07:25

“Woman” is a social category and a personal, political identification – it’s not shared by everyone with female genitalia,

Er...