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Is Intersectionality a Religion - Youtube

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 03/03/2018 12:00

This Youtube is interesting - Is Intersectionality a Religion - . It explains a lot of the gaps I perceive about the problems with the Trans rhetoric and where it came from plus its silencing of detractors. Also how widespread it is.

But still doesn't really talk about patriarchy but does talk about the problems Intersectionality is causing on campuses in the USA that we can see spill over in the UK (and vice versa). It explains the silence of Labour Party I think - ref the QnA in the follow on video, many won't question the rhetoric

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Reddwolff · 04/03/2018 21:35

Intersectionality as originally concieved dealt with black women who despite being discriminated against because of racism and sexism and there being remedies in the law for both found they couldn't take a claim for both. It was seen as double dipping and they had to choose one or the other which meant one was left unaddressed. A good descriptor of how I've thought of it is given at the start of the video, I haven't watched it all but bits.

The male speaker then ballses it up by drawing up a Venn diagram, putting woman, POC, and disability and then colouring in the little bits that overlapped. Crenshaw's whole point was that they co-exist and are not separable and that a person is affected by both axes of oppression at once. It's not a partial thing and it doesn't help to add in the literal kitchen sink of supposed oppressions. Disability for instance isn't a constant, the degree and how it affects a person isn't the same depending on their condition while a black person or a female person is effectively stuck with it. If you were going to do it, you'd have to show two circles, with one on top of the other.

After that, it all goes awry, now it seems to be if you can claim any discrimination or as it is broken down into "identities" anyone and everyone can claim and they've turned it into a hierarchy in which of course white, non-disabled males can claim to be top dog if they like wearing dresses despite that they always had rights (like to vote or an education) that oppressed groups were denied. At worst, they might have been caught by laws preventing cross-dressing but those were primarily targeted at gay men so even then it wasn't about them.

Unfortunately what was originally a good concept is now being used to discriminate and perpetuate oppression on traditionally oppressed groups. I've seen feminists who worked to address sexism and sexual harassment in the workplace put down as not intersectional despite the gains they made and that it couldn't be foreseen that the law would be applied in a way that it was for black women. I've seen women told they can't speak about being female and how fundamental it is to them.

Really they've got it correct, it's now got religious features such as excommunication for not adhering to the doctrine but it is impossible to see how we can go from here when this mess of identities is now seemingly ingrained. Tossing out queer theory when so many have invested so much into it will be difficult.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 04/03/2018 23:35

Reddwolff

Yep I agree - it seems like the original womens studies was bang on but then each micro-pocket of the universe (specifically LGBT centred) has been taken to an extreme that is ridiculous. I like that women are starting to fight back. I'm for people having equality of access however it has to sensible enforcement of any legislation (not possible with largely while male judiciary). So instead off micro-managing around that - why not name the elephant in the room? The pre-dominance of men in positions of power….

Re diagrams - I liked his approach if not the content. What diagrams would you have used instead? I'm trying to source some.

The religious aspect is absolutely spot on - I've seen everyone get so PC over the past couple decades that it's used as a way to silence women gain trying to whistle blow on dangerous situations (e.g. grooming gangs where the women whistleblowers were silenced and sacked by local authorities).The code of conduct operating now is punitive and not fit for purpose and plays right into the hands of white male conservatives, who will come along, play Dad and give them, and us at the same time, a big slap down and reversal of rights.

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Boxesandbuttons · 04/03/2018 23:43

Agree with most of your analysis woman, except it seems to be the lefties doing it not the conservatives.

thebewilderness · 05/03/2018 00:14

Kimberle Crenshaw's brilliant work on intersectionality of oppression suffered by black women has been co-opted by white men to be used to control and silence women's voice, just as every other theory from post modernism to Feminist theory has.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 05/03/2018 01:50

thebewilderness

I must go into Crenshaw's original work and update myself in more detail - I need some good overviews - any suggestions?. Totally agree re the co-opting. Has she had anything to say about this co-option by men do you know?

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thebewilderness · 05/03/2018 02:16

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.racialequitytools.org/resourcefiles/mapping-margins.pdfwww.ted.com/talks/kimberle_crenshaw_the_urgency_of_intersectionality/transcript" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.racialequitytools.org/resourcefiles/mapping-margins.pdfwww.ted.com/talks/kimberle_crenshaw_the_urgency_of_intersectionality/transcript
www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/may/30/sayhername-why-kimberle-crenshaw-is-fighting-for-forgotten-women

She acknowledges that the theory can be viewed as an smorgasboard and is both used and misused for that reason.

dogendsaredogs · 05/03/2018 08:42

At Duke, which I believe is an American Ivy league college, the trans have protested demanding positions, scholarships and courses in the theology department. I think they know exacty what they are doing and observe all the protections scientology gained by getting a court ruling deeming them to be a religion. Trans most cohesive opposition is the Christain right and how better to undermine them than from within.www.thecollegefix.com/post/42549/

womanformallyknownaswoman · 05/03/2018 15:40

@thebewilderness thx appreciate the links

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 05/03/2018 15:44

@dogendsaredogs we should create a church of the anti-trans ;)

Their entitlement as mirrored in their demands is unbelievable - not content with a POC member of staff being hired they are demanding a Trans one…..how can they get away with that?

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