Miranda Yardley's contribution to the Woman's Place meeting on Tuesday

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I've always tended toward using 'transwomen' and preferred pronouns - if only out of courtesy. Miranda's points though have really made me reconsider. I'd be interested to hear other people's thoughts on this.

mirandayardley.com/en/contribution-discussion-womens-place-uk-meeting-27-february-2018/

Yetanother, I understand what you are saying about it not about the sex and more about the target group they belong to, and I agree. But as you said yourself, where are the female trans? They aren't on here, or prominent at the public meetings. I wonder, in part, if this is anything do with the fact that they are seen as less important to the cause because they are female.

But as you said yourself, where are the female trans? They aren't on here, or prominent at the public meetings. I wonder, in part, if this is anything do with the fact that they are seen as less important to the cause because they are female

I don't know enough about how the social action is organised to comment, but certainly TIMs are centred on the TRA side.

We know little about TIFs in general even though they possibly may be the most detrimentally affected by drug therapies.

Just a vote of support for the theory that AGP isn't restricted to the men primarily or solely motivated by porny fetish. I think a few AGPs have an obsession that's broader than just sexual. A one-man version of Pygmalion is how I saw one guy.

Sometimes I think it's partly the name's suffix and associations, (although technically correct) that can be a barrier to men owning up to it. Who wants to be known as an Autogynephile, when connotations of "-philia" are so dodgy.

Miranda do you ever go over to the transgender sites on Reddit?

If I went on Reddit I’d never have a life.

lol Reddit is a rabbit hole for sure.

Interestingly we don't appear to have any 'questioning TIFs' on FWR, although they do exist elsewhere on the internet.

I've seen posts by two but one might have been a while ago. Can't remember their MN names.

Put simply, I'm interested in the marketing campaign that has the highest conversion rate, not the one with academic purity that no-one buys.

This sums it up for me.

Transsexual is a word, it's a thing. Transracial is a word, it's a thing.

Neither of them have any validity in what they claim to represent.

I'm usually quite careful in the way I write and will often change words to improve my communication.

And will frequently substitute transsexual with man identifying as a woman. In order to make just that point.

TIM is used as shorthand to people for whom I have no need to make the point.

I have persuaded quite a few people of the difficulties with transgenderism. And I know exactly how I've done it.

And my aim is solely to make people understand and gain their support.

I completely agree that language is crucial. I also agree the way we are currently framing it falls short of the explicit understanding that we require.

But, and don't think this is complicated, it's about the most effective way to gain support. Not the purest way.

I'm more than happy to use a different word, that doesn't implicitly support the idea of transgenderism. As long as it's easily understood. And man identifying as a woman, although wordy, does suit.

And lastly, in terms of my apology and exclamation mark to Truscum, I was fairly confident it would get commented on!

I had a brief internal dialogue because I know, full well, that my socialisation is fairly minimal when it comes to this issue, particularly.

I have zero hesitation in being blunt with men and TIMs on these threads.

But I'm usually fairly polite, to everyone. And I generally will respond to comments addressed to me.

So when I noticed that I had missed Truscum's, my natural inclination was to be polite. But I stopped short, purely because I'm speaking to a TIM!

And because I knew it would get negatively commented on, I hesitated.

Howzat that for socialisation!!

So I did what I always do, and ignored my female socialisation.

Ironic, eh?