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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Magdelen Berns pushing Nic's video! Its the last, and potentially ^only^ chance.

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Datun · 28/02/2018 13:23

Magdelen Berns has hosted Nic Williams' video on her YouTube channel. She's rubber stamped it with her own inimitable style because time is about to run out.

As I'm sure most of you know, Scotland are consulting on Self ID. They are extending their survey to whoever wants to complete it. You don't have to live in Scotland.

The deadline for completion is tomorrow.

All party politicians will be looking to Scotland for a temperature check on public opinion and this survey is where they'll find it. Whichever way it swings.

Some of the more anxiety inducing proposals include allowing 12 year olds to self ID. Without parental consent. There are options, and this is one of them.

It's effectively telling pre-pubescent kids that hey, this is an ok thing to do. The government thinks so! State sanctioned legal sex change for kids.

The worrying effect of this is that anyone aghast at 12 year olds getting a legal sex change, might more readily accept 14-15 year olds, with a sigh of relief. When 18 is the current law and needs to remain so.

Whatever policies/laws Scotland introduce, the UK government will have to find a reason to legislate differently, if they disagree. So whatever Scotland decides is crucial.

We worry that our voices aren't being heard.

This is the megaphone.

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Imalldonethanks · 28/02/2018 17:49

I've just filled it in too. It seems surreal even having to justify why you think it would be wrong to let a 12 year old take such a massive, life changing decision.
Bonkers.

DoctorW · 28/02/2018 17:57

Thank you everyone for submitting your questionnaires. Numbers are really going to count!

SusanBunch · 28/02/2018 17:59

Just submitted it!!! Let's hope it works.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 28/02/2018 18:00

Yeah, weird positive bias on almost all of the questions. It is really poorly constructed - had they wanted to get a real idea of what people think.

The phrasing makes you almost reconsider saying no! It normalises the weirdest of things - like prebuescent decision making.

If I were still teaching research skills I would have red penned most of it!

MrsOvarall · 28/02/2018 18:10

Done. Plucking up the courage to FB share your video DrW.

PositivelyPERF · 28/02/2018 18:15

I’m chewing my fingers down to my nails, trying to decide if I can share it. My Facebook is for customers, friends and family. My 15yr old niece is doing this ‘I’m a real boy’ nonsense so I know the fallout could be massive. I may lose some clients over it, but I don’t think it’ll be enough to affect me to badly, financially, but you never know. I’m going to fill it and and think hard about sharing it.

MrsOvarall · 28/02/2018 18:32

Positively PERF it's unbelievable how anxious we feel about sharing a thoroughly reasonable video. That it requires courage in the current climate is scary.

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 28/02/2018 18:53

Done!! I was practically yelling at them in the comments sections.

SusanBunch · 28/02/2018 18:56

Positively PERF it's unbelievable how anxious we feel about sharing a thoroughly reasonable video. That it requires courage in the current climate is scary.

Yup, I wouldn't dare do it. I am seriously contemplating setting up an anonymous TERF twitter account though so that I can shout my opinions from the rooftops. I am not even that militant, but even I don't dare retweet some of the brilliant stuff I see written by women far braver than me. It could have serious career repercussions for me.

Anniegetyourgun · 28/02/2018 19:00

I did it too. Sadly I don't think anyone will take notice of the "we believe trans people should have full human rights" bit and will just hear "miserable bunch of mostly non-Scottish TERFs". Ah well. One has to try.

GrainneWail · 28/02/2018 19:00

I just tried to answer but the questions are so fucking stupid I don't even know how to. Anyone have a crib sheet before my head explodes?

HairyBallTheorem · 28/02/2018 19:15

Finally filling it in...

Should gender recognition remain grounds for divorce?

I've put
"You cannot force someone to stay in a marriage where they are now expected to have a homosexual relationship when they (in good faith) entered marriage expecting a heterosexual relationship, or vice versa for someone who entered marriage expecting a homosexual relationship and now finds themselves as part of a heterosexual partnership.

This so clearly flies in the face of all reasonable views concerning sexual consent that I cannot see why you are even asking the question."

Honestly, what fucking planet are these people on? A woman marries a man, expecting a certain sort of sexual relationship. Suddenly he announces he feels like a woman, and insists he wants a lesbian relationship, the woman is not happy with that, but it's not grounds for divorce.

That is a whole level of crazy.

YippeeKiYayMelonFarmer · 28/02/2018 19:56

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newtlover · 28/02/2018 21:11

done

WooWooWitchetyWoo · 28/02/2018 21:19

It's the most appalling constructed questionnaire but I think it also makes clear which way it's going to go. Decision has been made and this will be used as precedent. It's horrendous on all levels.

boatyardblues · 28/02/2018 21:45

Done.

Some of the questions are effing outrageous.

doctorcuntybollocks · 28/02/2018 21:57

I've just completed it. I told them that I was very dissatisfied with the consultation because the questions were often leading and the response options were too restricted.

MrsOvarall · 28/02/2018 22:40

WooWoo I think you're right and that the result is a foregone conclusion. At the moment. However if enough people respond and object surely they have to listen?

YippeeKiYayMelonFarmer · 28/02/2018 22:54

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GrainneWail · 28/02/2018 23:13

I ended up not picking answers in many of the questions, just added "Gender is a social construct, people should live and dress however they wish. Sex is biological and cannot be changed" in a lot of them.

DoctorW · 01/03/2018 14:56

MrsOvarall
Done. Plucking up the courage to FB share your video DrW.
Thank you for sharing!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/03/2018 15:00

I asked my DP if he'd done it, fully expecting him to say no, and he has, off his own bat Shock

Will be interesting to see the outcome. Will the government really really really ignore all of these intelligent well reasoned logical sensible truthful arguments?

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