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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

First TIM to sing in US Opera

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Pythagonal · 28/02/2018 11:31

Go on, guess which role they are singing?

www.classicfm.com/music-news/first-transgender-woman-us-opera/

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Speedy85 · 28/02/2018 11:39

Click link
www.classicfm.com/music-news/first-transgender-woman-us-opera/

I don’t have a big problem with this to be honest. There’s a long history of cross-dressing in opera - usually it’s women dressed as men because they can sing higher which was favoured in Baroque times and we no longer have castrated male singers!

They’re not taking a role that would otherwise go to a woman and they’re being billed as the first trans opera singer in a lead role rather than the first woman to play this role. It’s not equivalent to men stealing women’s achievements in sport which really gets my goat.

Patodp · 28/02/2018 12:18

This is great. Transpeople deserve the right to live full lives and be fabulous.
I love Mozart and she must be good. Says she's also comfortable playing male roles.

I'd have an issue if they, like you said had done something usually done by a man and they'd written "first woman to ever...."

I do not have opinions on transwomen living full and successful lives apart from to say that's great.
I DO have opinions when EG transwomen cheat in sport by competing against women, and take women only places in politics and expect women to believe transwomen are women so give over spaces intended for women to them.

DodoPatrol · 28/02/2018 13:24

That's good, I'd say. Talented, still doing what s/he did before and acknowledging the biological differences, while the roles take nothing away from a biological woman.

Having read her background, I may not be able to understand why that small boy couldn't deal with being a boy, but I'd much rather have her as the new trans poster girl than someone whose body strength means they can beat women to a pulp, or who depends entirely on promoting sexy stereotypes.

Just the one proviso that I hope her wife is genuinely as comfortable with all this as described.

uglyswan · 28/02/2018 13:35

This is all perfectly fine, but a biologically male singer with a baritone voice playing a male role on stage isn't really "making history".

loveyouradvice · 28/02/2018 14:00

Actually they are ... they are out about being trans... making it acceptable... and I agree - great poster girl! This is the side of trans we can all welcome.... be who you are ... not pretending to be who you aren't and being celebrated for it...

uglyswan · 28/02/2018 14:13

It's the Tulsa Opera who claim to be making history by not discriminating against a singer who has been out for years and performed in scads of other opera houses around the world on the basis of their gender identity. Which is good, obviously, it would be really shitty of them to refuse to hire someone because they're trans. But again, not actually making history. Lucia is an excellent singer and frankly deserves better than this sort of publicity stunt.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 28/02/2018 14:14

Good luck to her but I'm with ugly on this; it's hardly revolutionary. But hey, all well and good for not taking women's roles

squishysquirmy · 28/02/2018 14:17

Like everyone else, I see no problem with this.
Men and women are physically different. One of these differences is the pitch at which adult men and women sing.
This singer is singing a role normally sang by men, because they are biologically male. That's fine.
It sounds like she's very talented and making a career for herself without harming biological women. Good for her!

ArcheryAnnie · 28/02/2018 15:05

This is all perfectly fine, but a biologically male singer with a baritone voice playing a male role on stage isn't really "making history".

This. It's fine, but it's hardly newsworthy, or even interesting.

squishysquirmy · 28/02/2018 16:12

Its not a huge news story, but I don't see how its being treated as such? Its a short piece on Classical FM.....

TheButterflyOfTheStorms · 28/02/2018 16:31

This is the kind of thing that works. Everyone expressing themselves how they like and acknowledging what their biology means. More power to them.

UnderTheDesk · 28/02/2018 19:02

Yes, what Butterfly said. Good on them.

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