CLP motions on transmen and transwomen

[OlennasWimple]

I've noticed that a few Constituency Labour Parties (CLPs) have very recently passed variations on a motion that condemns transphobia (laudable) but also requires party members to report any transphobic activity in order that they can be expelled from the party (scary) and asserts that transwomen are women and therefore should be eligible for all women shortlists, women's officer posts and similar.

For example, Jeremy Corbyn's ward in Islington passed the motion yesterday.
This is Huntingdon (Sam Feeney is that rare thing, a transman active in the Labour Party). Manchester Gorton CLP here. Liverpool Merseyside here. One of the Croydon CLPs here

The motion was apparently drafted by Lily Madigan, though they don't all follow the same wording or emphasis as the draft posted on LM's Facebook page

I don't know the internal workings of the Labour Party to understand the real world influence that these might have, nor exactly what the "Democracy Review" is and is not. Or whether this is all in response to the legal challenge being brought by @JenniferJames. Or if it is more Momentum stirring. Or something else.

But I thought it worth starting a new thread, rather than put it on the end of one of the existing Labour Party threads on FWR, so that it didn't get lost, as clearly there is something significant happening here.

Well, now that they've done such a good job combating all that anti-Semitism...

2 + 2 = 5

Mar

Care to elaborate?

It's a reference to George Orwell's book, 1984. I read it again last year with all this trans indoctrination and propaganda in mind. People are forced/threatened/intimidated into saying what they know to be false.

“You are a slow learner, Winston."
"How can I help it? How can I help but see what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four."
"Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.”

All these CLPs passing motions which say "Trans women are women". They might as well be saying 2 + 2 = 5.

It's scary.

You're not wrong, Mar.

Someone suggested yesterday that MNHQ should have a boilerplate response they could post on threads to discourage deliberate "misgendering". I suggested it should start with "we've always been at war with Eastasia".

Ah, I see Mar. Yes, you are right.

Along with "all animals are equal but some are more equal than others", and all the naive animals who went along with Napoleon's proposals

The women supporting the trans agenda always remind me of Boxer from Animal Farm, who worked himself into the ground and was sold to the knackerman when he had outlived his usefulness.

What I can't even begin to comprehend is how so many people can't see that this is insane. What do they think they are doing? And why?

I can see this coming at my CLP. If it does I will speak up. It won't be the first time I've been the lone hand but this is scary and I shall have to read my objections to avoid ranting. I don't want to be expelled but I guess that's better than leaving quietly.

Mar - being terribly brave and inclusive? Being "on the right side of history"? I guess that is what they think they are doing.

But where are the critical thinking skills? Where is the analysis of what this actually means?

I saw someone on Twitter comment on a motion (or maybe a draft motion, I forget) to say that even though they didn't like TERFs maybe throwing them out of the party was going a bit far, as it was good to hear from all sides of a debate. No, comrade, that is unacceptable. She was very quickly shut down

Why are they doing this?

I see the hand of Momentum moving in all these CLPs...

The tactic is to state a lie in the presentation of a motion. In this case that "transwomen" are women. Then get a vote to confirm the lie which then means the constituency has accepted a lie as a fact and are committed to supporting it, as is the leadership.
The woman at one constituency who pointed out that the premise was not true was interrupted and silenced.

It is discrimination against women in the name of equality.
Trans identified males are putting on one of the most flamboyant male dominance displays I have ever seen.
Women who do not wish to give trans identified males unfettered access to women in various states of undress are welcome to stay home forever and be silent.
It is another rather large battle in the war on women.

Being honest, I find this all very frightening. I've been reading and learning about this for about 4 years now, occasionally speaking out - more so now. For a time last year I found it all so overwhelming I just had to step back from it - for my own mental health. But I can't stand by and not engage with this. I know that 2 + 2 = 4.

I'd started to think that the tide was starting to turn, and as I type this, I realise that I do still think that. But, reading all the motions linked to in the OP - I don't know... They are so organised, and this has been a well planned and insidious process - now well advanced, and we have so much to do to turn back the tide.

I agree, Mar. I thought that the tide was turning too. But now... It does show the scale of what we are up against, and that is daunting.

I can only hope - and I hate that I am typing this - that Labour continues to be unelectable

What I can't even begin to comprehend is how so many people can't see that this is insane.

Because they don't want to.

Admitting the truth forces them to confront some other truth which they then have to do something about or cope with.

This just allows them to.avoid it, and pretend all is fine in the world and/or they are in part responsible for someone elses pain.

Its an ostrich mentality.

It is frightening to see people actually come together to vote in favor of adopting and enforcing a faith based belief system in place of material reality.

Oh good here you are! I just started a thread about Shelley charlesworth who tried to speak at the meeting but was shut down . She's been tweeting about it

have very recently passed variations on a motion that condemns transphobia (laudable) but also requires party members to report any transphobic activity in order that they can be expelled from the party (scary)

Surely, if this is actually part of the motion, it must sway the way people vote?? I mean transphobia seems to be the term used to refer to any kind of questioning of the trans narrative that trans women are women, or even just mentioning vaginas, or being vegan . I assume voting the "wrong way" would be evidence of transphobia and therefore grounds for expulsion? It's an open vote, I presume? Even if it's not, that threat of punishment for holding the wrong views will sway people. Democracy, my arse.

I can only hope - and I hate that I am typing this - that Labour continues to be unelectable

I never thought I would be glad that Labour are losing popularity. Last election I voted Labour, at that stage I am embarrassed to admit but I fell for the 'Corbyn is the Savior of the country' spiel

I am so fucking glad the Tories got back in rather than a Labour victory, they seem to be using a bit of common sense, despite it being their idea in the first place. Its scary to think if Corbyn had done just a little better, this would be totally unstoppable by now. I now find myself hoping beyond hope that Labour do not ever get back in, given they are apparently committed to making self-ID into law. I don't think I have EVER felt as strongly on an issue as I do about this, and it feels so fucking strange to be being branded a bigot when I am usually on 'the right side'. I guess now I understand what people meant, when they used to talk about 'the left' just bullying people into silence, when I used to think they were just paranoid.

I am glad the Tories got re-elected, even whilst May is at the helm, while they continue to fuck up Brexit (though I don't think anyone else would be better in that regard either tbh..) and whilst they continue to demonize me for daring to be disabled, and cutting away at the income I so desperately need, ignoring the advice of my many medical professionals...in order to 'cure' me of an incurable illness..to try and save a bit of bloody money by making me crawl off into a corner and die or something.

But I will be damned if I would vote for a party that actively wants to throw women under the bus and take their rights back 100 years. So I will swallow my past prejudices, many of my political views, and ignore the fact that my life is chance to get much much worse financially and otherwise, and i will not vote Labour until they sort this rubbish out. Given Tories and Labour are the only realistic options like usual..me not voting lets the Tories in by default. I may even directly vote for the Tories yet. Depends if it looks close. I plan to spoil my ballot, but if it looks like Labour actually have a big chance, I will vote Tory, for the first time in my life and against my best interests. For the good of my children, and especially my daughter.

I can only hope - and I hate that I am typing this - that Labour continues to be unelectable

Me too. It's not just this issue tho'.

Under its current form I hope Labour is not electable.

However, time and tide waits for no one. It's time to fight back and re capture the spirit that Labour once was.

I am a centre Labour voter. And I don't give several shits if that makes me old fashioned.