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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

So my dd had a LGBT assembly this morning

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MrsFogi · 20/02/2018 22:38

and this evening asked me if I knew that if you felt you were in the wrong body you could take some pills when you are 16 and that would change your body to a boy's body.
Cue about an hour of her hearing my views on the subject. I am so sad that she already seems to be getting a very narrow view on transgender issues and horrified that she is of the view that she cannot challenge or question any of the teaching because she tells me she would be bullied for being transphobic.
I am beginning to fear that it is too late to stop this trans-juggernaut.
And before anyone asks - my dd is 100% clear that I have no problem if she wishes to live as a boy, is straight, lesbian or bisexual.

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MrsFogi · 21/02/2018 23:16

Sorry for the radio silence it was a long day at work! To answer the question raised a number of times - this was a year 7 assembly. Thanks for all the posts so far it is good to hear others' views and they will be helpful when I work out what to say to/ask the school. I've sent them the guidance but think that further discussion is warranted.

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steppemum · 23/02/2018 11:49

my dd is year 8, currently there are kids in her year group identifying as stuff left right and centre.
Almost everyday - Oh xx is pangender
YY is agender
zz is demipan.

We have had lot of conversations about it, some of the stuff she is coming out with is horrendous. When talking about male and female spaces, she had a whole argument about how hard done by men were, eg in domestic violence situations.
We have, over the last few weeks had some pretty hard hitting conversations, some basic facts about male on female violence and Me Too etc, as well as gender stereotyping and so on.

So much of what she is saying, and what her friends are saying is basically - I don;t fit what society seems ot say a girl should be. Therefore I must be a gender oddity - pan, agender, trans etc. Ironically NONE of them are saying they are gay.
I suspect that

  1. most of them aren't really anything yet (if you see what I mean) they are 12 and 13 and most seem pretty much pre sexual, so haven't 'woken up' fully to who they are
  2. they don't want to be the same as their mothers and society stereotypes (well that is pretty normal at 13 isn't it!)
  3. quite a number are gay or bisexual, but that isn't as cool to say as trans, so they are all 'coming out' as gender none conventional.

She recently told me that demipan means you like to get to know someone as a friend before you have a relationship. She wasn't very impressed when I laughed and said 'that's not demipan, that is HUMAN'
(I know, should have been more sensitive and subtle)

She is being fed a lot of stuff at school. much is coming from a couple of older girls. It is very worrying.

Thank you veyr much for the transgendertrend stuff. I have to make a decision abotu whether I approach the school

ElBandito · 23/02/2018 11:56

If my child said they were demipan I would be able to say straight back that I was as well, I was friends with my husband for a fair while before we got together. Agreeing like that rather takes away the whole ‘being different to your parents’ angle Grin

steppemum · 23/02/2018 14:12

El Grin

I have been challenging a very calm, non commital version of me quite a lot, as I think making a fuss will push her further into it.
Oh, right.
That's interesting
What's that then?
Explain that to me again?
Ok
Interesting

While internally biting my tongue

I do feel I can be stronger on the 'hard done by men' line.

steppemum · 23/02/2018 14:14

I should add that it isn't the school itself which is feeding this stuff to her, but some older girls

DodoPatrol · 23/02/2018 14:24

I'm finding it quite useful to say to my teens, 'Oh, right, so what gender would that make me, then?'

(I think they'd assumed none of it applied to parents, only to 'real people', i.e. those under the age of 25 and not yet boringly ancient. They probably thinks we're past all that sexuality stuff in any direction whatever, too...)

steppemum · 23/02/2018 14:30

parent...sex AARRGH Grin

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