Transwomen firsts 'as women' and list topping

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I am interested in instances of transwomen who have been reported as the first 'women' to do something, or who are now high up or top women's success/achievement lists.

So for example, a poster on another thread mentioned this: Introduced on Today as first woman infantry soldier on front line. Only later in programme was it revealed the person concerned was a TIM. Papers say had only been taking hormones for a very short time but not mentioned by BBC. I complained at the time.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-37391807

This article from a few years back says that the highest paid 'woman' CEO in America is a transwoman:
nymag.com/news/features/martine-rothblatt-transgender-ceo/

Also interested in any instances of transmen firsts/list topping

Anyone else spotted anything?

Pips Bunce, on the FT HERoes list as one of their women championing women in business. Pips is a man who describes himself as gender fluid. I think this means that some days he goes to work dressed as a woman and other days dressed as a man. The FT put him on the women’s list. There is also a list for men. As Pips lives part time both ‘as a woman’ and ‘as a man’ I find this odd. Perhaps the women’s list is for people the FT deem to be non-men?

I could be wrong but I think that originally the director of the Bridget Jones diary trilogy was the first female director to direct a trilogy.

This was retrospectively removed after the director of the Matrix trilogy decided they were a woman.

www.redhat.com/en/about/women-in-open-source

At least one of these "women" is male

Caitlin was the oldest woman to be on the front cover of vanity fair.

A few weeks later the press were telling Madonna to “put it away” and start dressing for her age - she is 10 years younger than Caitlin.

This was my peak trans moment.

That's the former Wachowski brothers, itsall, now the Wachowski sisters. The Matrix trilogy is now listed in many sources as the first major female-directed trilogy.

They were men when whey directed it*. When they were getting funding, when they were pitching, when they were directing, when they were getting award nominations.

The honour rightly belongs to the Bridget Jones trilogy - all female directed. But retroactive transing has re-written that for some people.

(*they are still men now).

The highest paid female CEO in the world (though this isn't necessarily easy to determine) is often listed as Martine Rothblatt. Born male.

First female infantry soldier was Ben "Chloe" Allen.

Had been transitioned less than a year when he claimed this honour, and did so at a time when, though the role had technically been opened to women, it was not actually possible for a woman to have gone through the necessary training and process to get into the role.

I could go on.

The Wachowski sisters. Two highest paid/grossing women directors.

Missed Sophocles post!

Thomas Beattie was the "first man to give birth"

The honour of the "first man to give birth in the UK" belongs to Scott Parker (DM link)

While Kaci Sullivan was "the first man to give birth while living as BOTH genders" (tabloid style emphasis necessary here )

If only the Wachowskis had transitioned earlier. There's no way they could have pitched a hard sci fi movie while dressed as women. Then we'd have been spared the Matrix (which was basically a somewhat naive but overconfident first year philosophy student essay on the mind-body problem and solipsism) and its diabolically terrible sequels. I will concede that the first of the trilogy had its moments, but (like Wagner) its awful quarter hours. Two and three were just awful all the way through - three in particular was a gnaw-your-own-arm-off experience.

"Has anyone noticed that "transwomen" make the news for success in business, sport,
the arts and politics, while "transmen" make the news for having babies?" anonThe Feminazgûl

Funny that, thebewilderness

And also funny how they get to pick and choose.... dragging out old criminal allegations, or even old careers in some cases (was it the basketballer who was playing his second chance in something meant for girls who had never tried it; H Peta etc) is deadnaming and not allowed. But something like directing the Matrix is proudly claimed.

This is the real backlash, isn't it? White middle aged men are back on top and we all do as they say. No more pale, male and stale.... female, disadvantaged and trendy. So much power and muscle for the most marginalised people....
Meanwhile in South America I bet there's been no dent in the number of trans prostitutes murdered!

This is the real backlash, isn't it? White middle aged men are back on top and we all do as they say. No more pale, male and stale.... female, disadvantaged and trendy. So much power and muscle for the most marginalised people....
Meanwhile in South America I bet there's been no dent in the number of trans prostitutes murdered!

Yes, this!

And in Afghanistan lesbians are subjected to corrective rape.

this was the article celebrating the female director/s of the bridget jones trilogy, there was a complaint on twitter saying "are the wachowski sisters not women now then?" and so they changed it. Even though they were men when they directed the films.

The army one really pissed me off as well, as PP said, it was impossible for a women to get there before "Chloe" as although it had been opened up, they wouldn't have had time to complete the training. That made me SO ANGRY. Women have been fighting for YEARS for the right to get into these roles.

The army were super pleased about the whole thing and why wouldn't they be? They can tick their diversity boxes and still have their forces 100% male.

Essentially it means no "firsts" for women, while at the same time historical women who achieved stuff outside the realm of being nice, looking beautiful, having good hair etc, are being transed.

If you believe in stereotypes = gender then it's clear that as in the past women were not supposed to get involved in sport, the arts (past a certain level), science, exploring etc, those women were GNC and therefore it's fine to say they were actually men.

This erasure of female history is incredibly enraging. We aren't allowed to make any comment about anything at all, but they are AOK to go back through history naming all of the women that have achieved stuff as being "really men". How much more fucking sexist can you get. And it leaves our girls with no role models which is likely part of the point. For some men the idea that women have ever achieved anything is anathema so this is a thing of beauty for them.

This is the real backlash, isn't it? White middle aged men are back on top and we all do as they say. No more pale, male and stale.

Yes. This ideology replicates all the real axes of oppression by replacing them with a false one that overrides everything.

Pale, male and stale is now the most oppressed ever, by virtue of lipstick.

I saw a tumblr thread (can't be arsed to find it again) that was trying to get the Cheddar Man renamed as the Cheddar Friend, since we don't know what gender he identified as. (A Quaker, presumably. thou/thouself)

...I think that takes my personal biscuit for attempting to retroactively trans someone.

Jenner of course won gold in a sport women are not allowed to compete in.

@ArcheryAnnie, doesn't surprise me any more. It reminds me that I was wondering about post-mortem reports on unidentified bodies, which currently specify the sex of the deceased.

Out of respect for the feelings of a possibly trans-identifying (but pre-op/ non-surgical) victim, will they have to call them a 'person' with a penis/vagina in future? In case the person turns out to be trans? Because it's prejudiced/phobic/offensive now to state that someone is male/female based purely on their biological/physical body.

m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/lgbt-science_uk_5a8ef065e4b0746ba2acf7e5/

Just place-marking to add to the thread tomorrow.