My Husband Visited the GP Today

[PersonA]

And he was asked what GENDER he IDENTIFIES as.

He had already declared his sex (male) on the form.

This was his first GP visit since we have moved area.

My husband is a “stereotypical male” he has short hair, a beard, shirt and tie etc etc.

He is not massively aware of the whole gender debate and just mentioned this in passing as he thought it a weird question.

On pressing him the GP said “yes, sorry, I have to ask, the world seems to be going mad”

My issue here is this: what if he said he identifies as female? What fucking difference would that make? Would he be given smear tests?

I really feel for doctors in this day and age and the fact they have to ask this.

What is going on?? Will people wake up to how absurd this is at some point?

Wear a dress. Wear lipstick. Be a “stereotypical” female if it makes you happy. I really don’t care. When it enters the medical profession/ NHS/ Doctor’s have to ask if a man (who has already said he is male) self identifies as a woman?? It’s going too far.

The world has indeed home mad.

*gone

I am genuinely considering telling the GP I am actually a transman so that they will sterylise me..they don't trust me to make the decision for myself as a mere woman

dkb you are completely wrong about a GP treating someone according to biological sex. If they have a GRC then they get a completely new NHS number and all records of their actual biological sex is erased. They are then treated according to their identified gender with respect to cardiovascular risk assessment, cervical screening (offered even if they don’t have a cervix), breast screening (transmen will not be offered even if they still have breasts), etc, etc
It’s ludicrous and actively harmful imo and the nhs is going to be in huge trouble once breast/cervical/ prostate cancer start being missed on a regular basis

'It’s ludicrous and actively harmful imo and the nhs is going to be in huge trouble once breast/cervical/ prostate cancer start being missed on a regular basis'

Absolutely right. I can't believe that stuff like this actually need to be pointed out!!!! Makes me furious. Its just utter stupidity

I read a statistic that 70% of trans were F to M - although all the the fuss is always about the men "being women"

So all the F to M transmen - they won't get an automatic call for a smear test? Is that right - because if so, that is scandalous.

70% of transkids are female.

Older transitioners are almost always men.

That makes sense - I think I read it on that Transgender schools leaflet.

My DS (13) saw me watching a thing on transwomen, and told me that there is F to M transkid in his year.

We had a great chat about it. I asked about the toilets - and he told me that all the toilets are unisex cubicles. Newly built. Which made me a bit sad, because I feel worried for girls not having their own space, behind a closed door. They're all open plan too - as a "bullying prevention" and it made me wonder whether this generation of girls just will not have the same experience of privacy as I did growing up.

Not RTFT

If women say they are men, are they more likely to have their symptoms taken seriosuly and not dismissed to to what boils down to "hysteria", be considered capable of making decisions about their own bodies, treated appropriately for pain, and diagnised correctly if they have a heart attack?

Short answer = no which is a shame as otherwise would be a shortcut to addressing a lot of issues women and girls can have when accessing healthcare.

furcoat? Is that true? You've just shot me out to Space.

I'm struggling to take this in;

A biological male with a GRC will no longer be screened for Prostrate cancer? one of the biggest killers of men?

Will this person then be eligible to sue the NHS?

A Biological woman WILL be offered the screening?

I'm just going over there >>> to lie down in a darkened room.

When is someone going to shout "The Emperor has no clothes on" ?

DH has another appointment next week. I’m going to get him to ask the GP (without going over the 10 min appointment time obviously )

Very interested to hear what he has to say.

Why can’t your noted say preferred name Mrs but biological male or half male or whatever operations you may have had. Surely a doctor needs To know that stomach pain is likely be hernia or ovian cyst. It save hell of lot of time to Get scan on right part.

What if you still want all screening? Do you have to then be still a mr/Mrs at the doctors?

Back at school in 1970s registers where quite capable of having your full name and highlight the name
You wish to be called by. Surely we are not asking to much of a system in 2018?

Simple answer: gender is made up political bullshit. If you put me down as male or female or neither you are not reflecting how I identify.

If I'm ever asked that question the answer will be "not applicable".

If pressed, I'll say the concept of gender goes against my religion and I don't believe in it. Forcing me to specify a gender is therefore an act of discrimination.

My religion, if they insist on knowing, is rationalism.

some new initiative I think... was on the radio recently but cna not rememebr what it was about and the purpose.

Fur coat.
That has not been my experience with the records when I’ve dealt with this in the past. Name and gender was changed but the record of past medical history was still there

As for continuing to screen for prostate cancer etc- there is no national screening program. It’s too unreliable a test. However, if someone came in with symptoms they would progress through the system as normal with a referral to urology.
The lists generated by GP asking someone to come in for Cardiovascular risk assessment are age rather than gender dependent. However the risk score is weighted slightly differently although each assessment is done individually so you would be looking at the history and adjust accordingly.

mumonashoestring

"Does it really do you or your DH any harm to be asked the question?"

Does it do any good?

Treatment has to be given on basis of sex, not gender. If you are there for a penis check up, what good does it do that the doc knows you think of yourself as a woman. Does a transwoman have a different penis than a man?

I used to do bone density measurements as part of my first job. It was important to know if your patient was biologically male or female because the normal ranges are different.

So even if you think your condition has nothing to do with your sex because it doesn't affect the reproductive system, it often does matter. Throwing gender into the mix will not help and can only confuse the issue.

Surely the only possible reply is 'I don't know - I haven't seen the latest smorgasbord of options on facebook...'

@AngryAttackKittens I have much larger than average breasts. Some women with similarly sized breasts opt for breast reduction because of back pain etc. Should GPs ask anyone over an F cup who walks in the door if she's concerned about the size of her breasts? Because there are probably more women in the F cup and over category in the UK than there are people seeking gender reassignment. And I personally would not appreciate automatically being asked that question.

Yeah? Well I am much fatter than average. Should GPs ask anyone over a certain weight who walks in the door if she's concerned about it? Because there are probably more women at that 'trigger' weight and over category in the UK than there are people seeking breast reduction. And I personally would not appreciate automatically being asked that question.

So actually MY question trumps your question!

So my question will get asked first.
Then yours will be asked
Then a question about something else, then another.
Right down the list till we get to the minuscule amount of people that the gender question will apply to.

Goodness me, it's almost like this is an utterly ridiculous way to manage GP appointments and we should probably just stick to letting patients direct the topic for the 10minutes they have. Who'd a thought it...!

I got asked this when i recently registered at my boyfriends doctors, he asked me what i identified as and pronouns ect,
Think it's just a new policy to make sure they respect people by referring to them as what they wish to be x

I’m pretty certain my parents wouldn’t know what the fuck they were being asked if someone enquired about their pronouns. I wonder how this is going down with the public?

For Terftastic and anyone interested who hasn't seen them, these are recent stats from the Tavistock re. referrals

www.transgendertrend.com/from-adult-males-to-teenage-girls-the-movement-from-etiology-to-ideology/