Word of Mouth Radio 4 today transgender

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Did anyone hear this at 4pm today? I was in the car and missed the names of the guests but basically it was half an hour of a trans woman explaining how everything should revolve around trans and other minority groups when it comes to words, language and how we use them.

"Cis" apparently is used to show someone is not trans, as in to show the world that 99.5% of the population has to be explained as not trans. FFS. An oleagenous question from the presenter about whether the trans person could understand why some might be confused or angry about such terms was met with "of course" (as in let me explain it to you silly people) and explained away as in people not wanting to get things - such as pronouns - wrong or simply too entrenched to realise words and language need to change (to satisfy the 0.5% was the unspoken implication).

While lecturing how it was so important to address trans people in the way they wished to be addressed (inclusivity is everything) they seemed blissfully oblivious to the fact that their own rules did not apply to them being equally considerate of the non trans majority.

At this point I arrived home to my relief and switched off. My blood pressure gradually reverted to normal.

I have never heard such self-regarding, narcissistic arrogance dressed up as sweet reason before. But, it is the BBC I suppose. Must be on the right side of history and all that......

I listened to it all and as has been said it was about the use of language rather than the issue itself.
I don't recognise the narcissistic arrogance referred to in the OP. Found it interesting and intelligent, though balked at the explanation of cis and it's 'requirement'.

I've ignored sex based stereotypes all my life (55 years) in the way I dress and behave, however I had to wait untill now to have myself millennialsplained to me.

I guess if you were a Soho queen in the 50s and flower power in the 60s and punk in the 70s and new wave in the 80s and whatever it was in the 90s and a Bowie fan for like forever then all this is just the same old same old.

I laugh at how natural this all supposed to be and yet lifelong medication and drastic surgery is needed to maintain something so beautifully natural. First world madness.

however I had to wait untill now to have myself millennialsplained to me

I had to chuckle quietly at that because [whispers] they are all around me...

Hi MrPan: I don't recognise the narcissistic arrogance referred to in the OP. Found it interesting and intelligent, though balked at the explanation of cis and it's 'requirement'.

I guess I was looking at it through a red mist . The cis thing really was what wound me up - the assumption that we (i.e. anyone not of the trans or other minority communities) must accept their preferences as a courtesy while they are entitled to trample all over those of women who object to the redundant term 'cis'.

They seem totally unable to put themselves in anyone else's shoes while expecting everyone else to wear theirs. That, to me, is both arrogant and narcissistic.

I think we should all view the term 'cis' as an abusive word !

Let's all write in to say it was remiss not to address why 'cis' is offensive. In the most erudite terms!

You draw up the e-mail and we will use it

It wasn't an order! Of course don't, if you feel disinclined.

Good idea, I'll do it!

Did you notice her friend Ruth is a woman, while the old fashioned cunty type of woman are 'cis women'?

The phrases the old fashioned cunty type of woman and penis people never fail to lift my mood.

So clear and unoppressive don't you think?

Cathy Brennan was funny about the dating scene online for lesbians. It's full of TIMS and of course taboo to openly reject such as potential partners. She put ' I only want to meet someone I can give cunnilingus to'

I heard it too, and was interested that cis was pronounced "sizz".
That's not how I would say it.

Whatever side one comes down on, listening to CN was interesting, purely because they have a lovely voice.

But I don't think cis is needed any more than we need a word for someone who hasn't lost an arm, or someone that isn't from TONGA.

There's already a word for me- a woman.

Every time I see the word 'interesting' on this thread, I am reminded of the Newsnight item a couple of years ago with Sarah Ditum and CN, where the latter uses 'interesting' 43 billion times.

That interview is so so painful

Bringing up Rosemary West was the worst bit.

I honestly don't know how Sarah manages to keep her cool to the extent she does.

I'm not Sarah!

Yes she is absolutely superb. A bit like seeing Jack Monroe with Julia Long.

Oh dear, that interview is cringe worthy. She sounds ridiculous. A complete fantasist. Who is taken in by this nonsense? She has disappeared right up her her own arse.

That performance by CN Lester is another peak for me.

The approach is straightforward. Everything is so complicated that nothing can have certainty. Therefore it becomes impossible to have boundaries based on objective reality. The only realities are personal feelings so they can be rigorously maintained.

Except. Some people's personal feelings do not count enough and so their boundaries cannot be maintained. But these people aren't sufficiently special so it's not a problem.

Poor Michael. what does one do if one is a good old fashioned liberal faced with such mind numbing nonsense

He rather put me in mind of the sort of baby boomer, social science types at Goldsmiths who are probably counting their lucky stars they’ve retired and don’t have to keep pandering to the identity politics agenda.

What a load of navel gazing shite