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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Has anyone written to their MP about the GRA

61 replies

Glitterkitten24 · 12/02/2018 11:38

Hello,

This is the first time I have posted in this section.
Inspired by the reminders to complete the consultation on the GRA in Scotland currently in AIBU, I want to write to my MP to explain my stance on exactly why the self-id is harmful to woman’s rights.

I am quite new to this issue, and the feminist boards but have seen many eloquent, and detailed arguements from posters here.
I will sit down to compose something later tonight, but just wondered if anyone has already contacted their MP, that might be willing to share their letter/email/thoughts with me?

I have never felt strongly enough to want to write to my MP about anything before, but I need to say my piece.

Any help from those more articulate than me would be hugely welcome!

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AngryAttackKittens · 13/02/2018 08:50

Did you talk to him in person or send him a letter? I suspect that seeing them in person may be essential since it seems that letters are being intercepted by young, terribly right on staffers who're then sending back boilerplate non-responses.

Catmint · 13/02/2018 08:53

I wrote to mine, on advice from these threads. No reply yet, but it's early days.

Everyonematters · 13/02/2018 09:06

I am going to see mine face to face.

Everyonematters · 13/02/2018 09:22

It is absolutely worth going to see your MP face to face on this and trying to explain the issues and your concerns.

I would make sure you explain first that you are against genuine transphobia and abuse. Then explain your genuine fears and concerns and how you feel they will affect you and others. If you know others who are concerned, let them know - particularly if you are afraid to speak out.

Everyonematters · 13/02/2018 09:29

Sorry badly worded. By they I mean the proposals for Self-ID

Bloomed · 13/02/2018 09:38

Bridgetbishop that's good. Which party do they belong to?

ginghamstarfish · 13/02/2018 09:38

Thanks for bringing this up, will do. Emailed my MP last year about a local matter. 2 minutes after I'd sent it he called me from Westminster and we had a good discussion about the matter which he then went on to help with. I was amazed as I hadn't expected anything really. And he later sent me a Christmas card!

dragongirlx · 13/02/2018 09:44

I emailed mine yesterday - no response yet but will wait and see.
He's labour but am not sure what his views on the matter are.
This is what I emailed - a lot was taken from the SAGE fact sheet
I am writing to you in regard to the proposed changes to the Gender Recognition act.

I am concerned about the proposed changes and their effect on women and children.

I am specifically concerned about the following

Women only spaces - Sex segregation exists to provide safety and dignity were women are physically and sexually vulnerable. The proposed changes would allow trans -identifying males to access women only spaces such as changing rooms, refuges, hospital wars, prisons and shared sleeping arrangements with no exceptions. This will put women at risk of sexual assault, and violence but will also prevent some women from accessing services they need.
Women who have been previously sexually assaulted or raped may no longer feel able to access these services in case they meet a male person in the space and women from many religions will now not be able to access this space because their religion forbids it. In my life I was first catcalled at 9, flashed at 11, groped at 12 and still get harassed at the age of 41. I now have that risk in spaces where I previously felt safe

Intimate care and contact – under the new proposals, disabled and elderly women who prefer a female carer for washing and dressing and so on won’t be sure of getting one.
Women who want to see a female professional for intimate care such as bra fittings or gynaecological issues like smear tests may find this harder to arranged and may not be allowed to object.

Therapy – 97% of women surveyed by the women’s resource centre in 2007 thought that women should have the choice of accessing a woman only support service if they had been the victim of sexual assault. Under the proposed changes trans-identifying males will be able to work as counsellors in women only services and join therapy groups for women who have survived sexual assault, rape and domestic violence.

Discrimination – Gathering accurate statistics is essential for monitoring crime, health and discrimination and addressing inequalities. Women are often discriminated against because of their potential or perceived ability to bear children and have far higher rates of being sexually assaulted or trafficked for the sex industry. If we monitor gender identity but ignore sex we can’t tackle sex based discrimination.

Impacts on children and young people – under the new proposals single sex schools, activities clubs and dormitories may no longer be available. If a person of the opposite sex cannot be challenged for being in a single sex space, it becomes harder for children to stay safe.
In addition, there is increasing pressure on young people to accept gender identity and to go through the transition process before they are mature enough to understand the consequences. This can include taking drugs that block puberty and may leave the child sterile.

I was a tom boy as a child, I did not conform to the gender stereotypes associated with girls but I knew I was still a girl. Today I would have been told that I am a boy and would have been pressured to make that change. This has lasting effects on mental health.

Impacts on the lesbian community - Lesbians are currently being bullied and being accused of transphobia for wanting to partner only with females and not with males who identify with women, even when those males retain their penis. This is disgraceful. These women should be allowed to partner with their chosen person, if that person also wishes to partner them and should not be bullied or threatened with attack if they continue to do so

Crime – Offence committed by trans identifying males are being recorded as being committed by women. This distorts crime statistics and makes harder to address underlying problems. In investigating crime the use of DNA will identify sex, not gender identity. Recording gender identity in official records instead of sex will make it more difficult to solve crimes.

Impacts on trans identifying people – by changing to self ID Trans people will not be recorded as trans but by the gender they have selected. This means they may be missing out on appropriate health care and other services to tackle discrimination.

Finally, I am very concerned that language that was used to discuss women’s reproductive functions and female anatomy is being changed to be inclusive of trans people. Female reproductive health is a key area in which women are often discriminated against and it is essential for them to describe it. The proposed legal changes make the word women meaningless. Women are adult human females, members of the sex class able to bear children. If the law changes women become anyone who identifies as woman. This does not change the realist that half the population will still face discrimination because of their sex but we will find it very difficult to fight this or talk about is as the words will no longer be there. I am a woman, not a cis woman I do not accept that label. I do not accept that the language I used to refer to myself is being taken from me.

In considering the impact of the proposed changes I ask you to take account of these five demands drawn up by a Woman’s Place UK

  1. Respectful and evidence based discussion about the impact of the proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act to be allowed to take place and for women’s voices to be heard;
  2. The principle of women only spaces to be upheld – and where necessary extended;
  3. A review of how the exemptions in the Equality Act which allow for single sex services or requirements that only a woman can apply for a job (such as in a domestic violence refuge) are being applied in practice;
  4. Government to consult with women’s organisations on how self-declaration would impact on women only services and spaces;
  5. Government to consult on how self-declaration will impact upon data gathering – such as crime, employment, pay and health statistics – and monitoring of sex based discrimination such as the gender pay gap.

I await your response

ContemporaryPankhurst · 13/02/2018 09:45

My MP gave me a fob-off one paragraph response which declared that trans were the most oppressed. I have written back explaining that his response was totally unacceptable as he didn't answer any of the questions I raised and had issued the one paragraph to other women who wrote to him. I'm waiting for the second letter to come back.

My point is that if you get fobbed off write back. Even if you can't convince them make their work treacle - want to discuss x,y,z well only after you have read the latest 5 letters on the GRA which arrived this morning. I think politicians thought that women would be easy to dominate into going along with this and have had a bit of a shock.

Gossip from Parliament is that MPs are starting to discuss the opposition to this. Some MPs weren't that aware of the implications of the legislation so it has taken them a bit by surprise. I spoke to one politician who is now raging but is timid about touching the subject in public.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 16/02/2018 09:38

Just seen this thread, I emailed my MP but not the level of detail that other people have - I just wanted to register my dismay really, so they're aware that there is a groundswell of feeling from women.
He responded the next day, but as I said I didn't address anything specific, just a grumble really.

My email, and the reply:

"Mr Xxxx,

I am one of many women who are horrified by the actions of Trans Rights Activists & Trans Lobbying regarding supposed ‘transphobia’, which is directed at people like me who feel that ‘womanhood’ and women are being erased, and we are being silenced & shut down by a vocal minority of bullies.

Women do NOT have penises.
Women are women, not ‘cis’ women, and Trans women are trans women, not women.

Self identification/self declaration of gender as proposed initially by Maria Miller & being fanatically embraced by MPs across the board & political spectrum in an apparent effort to display ‘inclusive’ credentials has now reached the point that many women like me feel politically ‘homeless’.

I’m sure you are aware that the recent YouGov poll put labour down a few points, and it appears to be women that are abandoning them; I believe it would be in your party’s best interest to lead the way in the self-identity debate and to be ahead of the curve & demonstrate the common sense & leadership that I usually expect from the Conservative party.

Please could you read the following analyses by Adam Boulton & James Kirkup for an overview, and then take a bit of time to read the feminist threads on MumsNet to actually see the strong feelings that are prevalent (I have linked to a thread started by Jennifer James who was sacked by Labour recently as a starting point to show the strength of feeling on the subject - Jennifer’s posts have been rightly derided as she is trying to make it a left/right issue and it is clear throughout the thread that women across ALL parties are angry about the current trajectory).

I hope you can find support within the Conservative party to stop this madness, and to stop throwing women under the bus purely to spare men’s feelings (which is what this is all about at the end of the day).

Many thanks for your time,"

Reply:

"Thank you for your email.

I am grateful to you for making me aware of your views and I fully appreciate your concerns. You make your points powerful and I have great sympathy with your point of view.

I know that this is an incredibly sensitive and contentious issue, and one to which the Government must respond carefully. I of course want to support those dealing with gender dysphoria but you are right to point out that this should not be to the detriment of women.

I have noted your concerns and I want to thank you again for taking the trouble to make me aware of your views.

With very best wishes,"

fishdogpancakes · 16/02/2018 17:49

My reply came today from one of his people;

the MP has asked me to thank you for your comments on the issue of self-identifying gender for which he is grateful and will take into account and appreciates the great worry you have over this issue.

Kind Regards

DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus · 16/02/2018 17:55

I heard back twice from my MP, he's a tory but he understood. I wrote ages back when this was just bubbling under.

LifelongVaginaOwner · 16/02/2018 17:56

This is the reply I got from my (tory) MP

Thank you for contacting me about the Gender Recognition Act and your patience awaiting a reply.

I am encouraged by the commitment to equality and hard work is underway to build a society that celebrates and benefits from the talents of everyone. This ensures fairness protects the most vulnerable and prioritises equal opportunities for all.

I understand proposals to streamline and de-medicalise the process for changing gender will be part of a broad consultation of the legal system that underpins gender transition, the Gender Recognition Act. I am told the consultation will aim to relieve the bureaucratic and medical burdens for those who want to change their gender. It will seek to improve the recognition process and reduce the stigma faced by the transgender community. The proposals include removing the need for a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria before being able to apply for gender recognition, and options for reducing the length and intrusiveness of the gender recognition system.

Regarding concerns about single-sex services, the Equality Act 2010 allows organisations to provide single-sex services and I know the Government has no intention of changing the safeguards already in place to protect vulnerable women by providing these services. Those who run single-sex services are professionals and make decisions that are in the best interests of the individual in need and other service users. The consultation on the reform of the Gender Recognition Act will be a wide and open consultation, and I know the Government Equalities Office wants to hear from all stakeholders, including women's groups and refuges.

I will closely follow the progress made in this area.

Thank you again for taking the time to contact me.

Kind regards,

shedalight · 16/02/2018 18:28

This is incredibly important. I have written twice to my (very right wing) MP and he's taken it seriously.
They need pushing and they need constituents to keep putting it in their inboxes. It will actually have much more traction than a post on here (although that's brilliant of course) Smile .

We will only get a major shift when a group of them start saying 'My constituents are NOT happy about self ID and people with penises having free access to hospital wards, women's sports etc and they WON'T vote for us unless we sort this"

So please write!

Destinysdaughter · 16/02/2018 18:57

I wrote last week and I got a letter through the post yesterday! Just figuring out how to post the letter on here...

JenniferJames · 16/02/2018 19:26

This is very useful. I notice the tory MP mentioned that they'd change the GRC rules but single sex refuges would stay as such. That's not good enough. We need reassurance on the many, many other implications that self-id would have.

If people can name their MPs that would be very helpful, as we're putting together a tally. If their names and their quotes are out there, journalists can know who to contact to get MPs speaking publicly about this.

JenniferJames · 16/02/2018 19:28

PS Does anyone have a standard letter to an MP I can put out as an update? Can copy and paste from here. xx

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 16/02/2018 19:32

I don't think standard letters have the same impact as individual ones tbh.

Lots of standard format letters are too 'organised, orchestrated campaign', whereas an email/letter from an individual has more credence - lots of different voices saying the same thing in different ways.

TheXXFactor · 16/02/2018 19:39

If people can name their MPs that would be very helpful, as we're putting together a tally

Not a good idea at all to name the helpful MPs. They will be targeted (these threads are watched) and may withdraw their support. And it will scare off other MPs from being supportive.

Also, I suspect that many are Tory, and you are a Labour activist, JJ. I'm sure you are asking for their names in good faith, but I wouldn't put it past others to misuse the information.

JenniferJames · 16/02/2018 19:42

That's true, but even standard ones still have to be answered.

When I was Weaver Vale campaign manager last year I was answering standard emails to the prospective MP with a standard reply from the prospective MP!

The point is that ppl could find out where he stood on issues. They were mainly about fox hunting, I seem to remember.

JenniferJames · 16/02/2018 19:43

XX you have your opinion, I have mine. We will have to agree to differ.

TerfyMcTerface · 16/02/2018 19:47

I agree entirely with XXFactor. I will be speaking with my MP next week, but will categorically NOT be naming her on here, especially if she is supportive. If MPs get scared off (and who could blame them, given the TRAs tactics) this will be an absolute disaster for us.

Everyonematters · 16/02/2018 19:47

I agree with xx I don't think naming MPs on here will help in the current climate. Including replies that suggest people are bigoted for having concerns might help though.

mummybear701 · 16/02/2018 19:48

I'm wondering if they've quietly shelved plans to reform the GRA. They must realise its going to be unworkable at best. There was a debate in December 2016, mostly very consensual. Strangely quiet about it since. Strangely the most vocal opponent when he gets a chance is a man - David TC Davies.

Everyonematters · 16/02/2018 19:53

Faith I think that is a good reply. MPs can't say too much at this point in the debate.