Guardian has debate on all-women shortlists

[hackmum]

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/08/self-certified-trans-women-all-women-shortlists-labour

It's crap, as you might suspect. The usual suspects, e.g. Shon Faye.

But do go and comment. Women's voices need to be heard.

The approved labour concept of ‘woman’ now seems to be completely values based. Proper women and feminists are compassionate and supportive and toe the party line. ‘Problematic’ women like Germaine Greer aren’t proper women. It’s not clear what sex very very very problematic conservative women might be. Does Katie Hopkins exist at all in this context?

Meanwhile biology is apparently more complicated than we thought. Do we still advise girls that intercourse without contraception is likely to result in them becoming pregnant or just adopt a wait and see approach? Tell all children that they might have periods?

The only thing that seems clear is that whoever gets onto the shortlist, the Labour Party still seems to be headed by an old white man.

A non-trans woman? Sheesh.

Totally agree hackmum

I used up buy the guardian, refuse to since they started taking such an unbalanced view. I wonder if they even realise they’re losing subscribers.

I'm waiting for a Daily Mail sad face article with a teen 'lesbian' couple who became parents because nobody told them a female penis could still impregnate someone.

non trans women
non men
non prostate havers

This is why it's so easy to say oh woman doesn't mean anything really, so can mean anything really.

Two of them called us cis women which clearly demonstrates where their allegiances lie. I wonder how they would feel about getting undressed in front of a strange lipstick wearing man in a ladies changing room

Beyond fucking ironic that laws/procedures in place to give women a chance at having a voice to readdress the imbalance caused by men/patriarchy is being deemed unnecessary and unfairly exclusionary for not including men (with lady brain)...

I wish they would stop bringing up genitals as though it is a flaccid penis that we are worried out - it is in the unknown motive of the man attached to the penis who wants to be in a womens area that is our concern

Never would I have thought I could despise the Guardian and the Labour Party.

It's like a living nightmare.

Small steps everyone.
I think this is a VERY important (small) step. This is the first time in a long time that the Guardian have allowed any gender critical comments to stand rather than deleting them. OK, they pre censored all the comments and of course we have no idea how many gender critical views they obliterated.
BUT I did see gender critical comments about biology, safe spaces, the use of cis and there were only a small number of TERF comments and very little shouting down. Unheard of from the paper that has been the flagship for 'a transgender woman is a real woman , now piss off and die you Terfy bigot'.
The question is, have they just been reluctantly shamed into having to have a balanced approach or is this just a gesture which they will throw in the direction of women as they continue to censor us?

"And just like that, we became non-trans women."

Crap, isn't it? But on the other hand, I notice that the dissenting comment there - the one that says they've chosen for their panel four people who basically agree with trans women on all-women shortlists - has 64 up votes. I really think there are a lot of people who think this whole thing is as ridiculous as we do.

They've closed it!! I just finished drafting my response and they close it.

I wonder how the first article writer feels about having promulgated discussion into getting rid of AWS. Seems like it's actually the last thing she'd want. Perhaps she should be defending it instead of turning it into a circus.

Not sure how a group of people who already agree on an issue sitting around talking about that issue qualifies as a debate.