Transgender peadophile demand tampons and access to women's prison

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Nope, never happens...
metro.co.uk/2018/02/05/transgender-pedophile-blasts-prison-officials-refusing-give-tampons-7288513/

I like this though :

Jail administrator Captain Andrew Frobig also dismissed Fly’s demands, insisting his criminal record showed he was willing to have sex with women as a man, and therefore posed a risk to the female population.

Damn fucking right.

It also says this person has described themselves as transgender, intersex and hemephrodite (sp?) so they sound at best confused. I wonder if there’s any change they do need tampons ?

I can't get over the caption and photo. She
Her. Everyone looking at that photo knows that is a man, a bloke, a fellow, a male, a chap, someone with a cock. It feels like some kind of social experiment to see how far people will go in order not to offend or risk social alienation.

Jesus. How can anyone not see how wrong this is?

Does the Metro really have to use female pronouns in this scenerio?

Even TRAs say that the paedophiles who try in get women's prisons (because obviously that never happens) aren't "real" transgender people, so why are they going along with this?

This nasty piece of work does not represent transgender people. Even in the UK there's no way she'd get into a womens prison, even if she were to self id as a woman.

Oh. My. God.

It also says this person has described themselves as transgender, intersex and hemephrodite (sp?) so they sound at best confused. I wonder if there’s any change they do need tampons

Nope

Fly, convicted of abusing a girl since she was at elementary school and fathering a child with her

As far as I know hermaphrodism (may not be the word) doesn't exist, and if you've successfully fathered a child, you're not an intersex woman - you're definitely a man.

Why not Mummy?

Even in the UK there's no way she'd get into a womens prison, even if she were to self id as a woman

If they bring in self-id then someone like this will be able to become legally female and will be automatically housed in the female estate.

That's the problem with self-id in a nutshell.

Fargo who knew it was a real place ? misses the point of the thread

This stuff must be a nightmare for prison administration who I believe warned Justine Greening about the danger. I very much doubt any of them have the slightest belief in gender feels.

Does the Metro really have to use female pronouns in this scenario?

Yes all media have been trained by All About Trans. Always use preferred pronouns, thus self-identification by stealth. This has been adopted by Independent Press Standards Organisation.

www.allabouttrans.org.uk/a-meet-up-with-the-independent-press-standards-organisation/

So just WHERE exactly was this person intending to put the tampons?

Yes all media have been trained by All About Trans.

So much for a free press.

So just WHERE exactly was this person intending to put the tampons?

The mind boggles.

It's OK, s/he'll hit menopause soon and won't need tampons.....

If they bring in self-id then someone like this will be able to become legally female and will be automatically housed in the female estate.

I don't actually think it is this straightforward, at least I hope not. Can't find the exact wording but I thought someone thought to have transitioned to make offending against women easier can be kept in the male estate, or in a secure unit which naturally is found in male prisons. I believe Ireland exempts prisons from their self id as well. If someone can find clear evidence I'm wrong I'd like to freak out how easy it is for these monsters see it.

@mummybear701
This nasty piece of work does not represent transgender people. Even in the UK there's no way she'd get into a womens prison, even if she were to self id as a woman

Can you seriously not see the glaring contradiction in what you’ve just said??? There’s no way no way she’s get into to woman’s prison even if she did self is as a woman... why are you using female pronouns if you think he wouldn’t get into a woman’s prison? If self is goes through of course he’ll get into a woman’s prison because if he says he’s a she then he IS a sr as far as the law is concerned. You are helping people like this live the lie and give weight to their argument by using she to refer to him. He’s a male who abused a young girl, he is taking the piss. Stop pandering to this pervert.

I've no problem using the name and pronouns somebody wants to be known by, though thats more this scumbag deserves. Even radfems (Bindel, Greer etc.) are on record saying they'll happily use female pronouns if someone identifies that way but it doesn't mean they are women. We'll agree to differ on that. Thats quite distinct from the crimes of this person and outrageous claims they are making.

someone thought to have transitioned to make offending against women easier can be kept in the male estate

At present 'transitioned' includes people with and without a grc. Somebody with a grc is legally a woman and will go automatically into a women's prison unless they are extraordinarily dangerous. Somebody without a grc is legally male and as you say discretion can still be used about where they are housed. If they bring in self id, that discretion will be lost.

Mummy as far as I'm aware, the Equality Act means that someone with a GRC (very small number of people) which includes a diagnosis of gender dysphoria, would automatically be housed in the female estate. At the moment the way things legally stand, in cases of self ID there is freedom for case by case decisions, some of which have ended badly, see the newspaper reports of the TIM who was moved to a womens' prison following all due process and discussions following self ID and then had to be segregated for sexually harassing and assaulting women prisoners. Under current legislation the bottom line is also that exemptions can be made by legal sex (which includes people with GRCs) if the need is significant. IE we will not put this TIM with a massive record for rape and assault in a women's prison.

That's the current state of play.

The proposed change to law is that these exemptions would go. Anyone who self ids, no matter how casually, with or without the condition of gender dysphoria, would be the sex they say, and that would have to be respected in every single case, irrespective of the person's history or criminal behaviour. It simply would not be relevant. So yes, Ian Huntley would be one of the people benefitting.

Take alongside this the TRA lobby view that trans people cannot commit rape, due to the privilege/power imbalance: the worst a trans person can do is have non consensual sex with you; that trans people cannot be guilty of a crime (again the privilege power imbalance), that trans people with a history of sexual offending committed those crimes because of the emotional pressure of their being trans and they are therefore the victims, and putting them amongst other women will relieve their condition, and also the Action for Trans Health manifesto which demands the immediate pardon and release of all trans prisoners.

I wish I was making this stuff up.

to give examples:

Thats quite distinct from the crimes of this person and outrageous claims they are making.

It's not distinct though is it? Because this person has committed male pattern violence. If we start recording male crime as female crime then statistical analysis is meaningless. Female crime will look as if it has gone through the roof and male crime the opposite way.

Can you not see why this has serious implications for women? Men already seek to dismiss male violence as a class by insisting women are just as bad when this is blatantly just not true. Fake statistics will back up their lies and be used to further erode women's protections.

Myunicornfliessideways if that is the proposal for self id then those are the issues we need to shout loud and clear about. I did the Scottish consultation and though I supported the general principals I was very clear it should not compromise prisons and refuges. Its possible to improve a system without crossing clear boundaries.