Read this appalling article on The Pool and weep (about Rose McGowan and Andi Dier)

[CapnHaddock]

I usually like The Pool but this article is a pile of tosh: www.the-pool.com/news-views/opinion/2018/6/Yomi-Adegoke-on-Rose-McGowan-Andi-Dier-Brave

The author starts with the premise that Dier was quite right to heckle and abuse McGowan, given that McGown isn't centring transwomen and WOC: "who, many feel, embodies the worst parts of white fragility and white feminism". But then wait! Dier apparently isn't that nice a person which has confused people. And so we must conclude that bad people do good things, and vice versa. Or something.

She also didn't mention Dier's 'It's not rape if she's smiling through the tears' comment did she?

That's a really good point Poppy and one I hadn't picked up on. I might go through the article and deconstruct it properly and email The Pool. I was really angry when I read it this morning!

Oh I wasn't saying that there is nothing troubling about that analogy, CapnHaddock If some women find it exclusionary, I accept that. But I don't think that making that analogy in one tweet adds up to "a growing back catalogue of reprehensible statements concerning [trans women and] women of colour"

Oh I agree absolutely squishy. It's bullshit.

To be fair, the quote was:

'Women who were aged between 12 and 14 at the time have accused Dier of grooming them and claim that content posted from her Tumblr account features both paedophilic and racist images.'

It's fairly obvious to me that she means that the people who made the accusations are women now, but were aged 12-14 at the time. It needs commas:

' Women, who were aged 12-14 at the time, have accused Dier.....'.

It's just clumsy wording, I don't think she meant anything by it at all.

Yeah, but clumsy wording is enough to get others (like Mcgowan) hung out to dry....

So let's see:

One person has said something insensitive on twitter, while admitting to be under the influence of drugs, and deleted it and walked it back after being told it was racist.

The other person has sexually assaulted teenage girls.

Both of these people are on the exact same moral footing, according to the author of the article.

That about the gist of it?

You know who's probably loving this? Harvey Weinstein and his ilk.

I read this yesterday in Facebook and thought I’d gone mad. The author started out saying Dier was correct to call out Rose McGowan. What the fuck was “right” about hauranging a vulnerable woman at her own book signing?

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Yes you’re right. Now I’ve re-read it that is the correct interpretation. Problem of reading articles that enrage me while doing two things at once!

I think that wording was entirely deliberate. The allegations 'go back to' 2012. So most of the young women who've accused Dier are 18 at most.

Not only did the other person assault teenage girls, he has posted some hideous racist porn on his page online. But he gets a free pass - because he's not a white woman basically.

Is "white fragility" something else for which I'm supposed to apologise now?

Oh god probably.

This just came up on my twitter feed. It's like bloody cuckoos in the nest or something!

"Similarly, Rose McGowan – who has a growing back catalogue of reprehensible statements concerning trans women and women of colour – is fronting a movement for all women – one she isn’t equipped to lead."

What does this mean?! WHY is she not equipped to front a movement for all women? By 'equipped' does the author mean not 'equipped' with a penis?!

And re the 12-14 old women ... I read it as though she were calling girls women and so minimising the offences. I think to call it clumsy wording is probably quite generous. The way we use language matters.

That tweet
It's such a head fuck!!! This is all just so distressing. Pure misogyny.

Aargh, I just read the Pool article and came here to see if anyone else had noticed how biased it was towards the pedophile trans heckler. Glad I'm not alone.

But good god, what has Rose done wrong to warrant all this hate from other women? The trans hate I get, as the shouty ones hate all women it seems.

The comments under the article on FB are depressing, one is basically saying that it doesn't matter what Andi Dier has done, what matters is that he has exposed Rose as 'not intersectional'.

The only saving thing is that I am sure there are many more women like me who would love to get stuck in on that comments feed but can't because of the public nature of it.

Also, the pool have just put another article on FB about what a long way to go we still have despite being 100 years from women getting the vote. I read it, waiting for the inevitable mention of trans struggles, but it never came

If anyone still wonders why women don't speak out about their sexual abuse then Rose McGowan is a great example. A woman who has been raped and assaulted and has stuck her head right up above the parapet to expose it, getting shit left right and centre because she doesn't centre trans women in her discourse.

Yeah, the comments started off quite good but have turned to shit. At least that woman bleating 'transwomen are women' has admitted she's not a feminist. I want to reply to her and say that I'm glad she's not calling herself a feminist because she looks a lot like a rape apologist to me but I know I'll get absolutely slaughtered so I'm not going to!

I've commented, trying to be careful.

Rose McGowan might not be perfect, but I know who I'd rather have with me on the feminist bench and it's not Andi Dier.

I also don't get this transwomen have always been women thing. I haven't always been a woman, I was a girl first! What are they transitioning from then?

I've had another look and can see some more sensible comments and wondered if they were from here Thanks for commenting and injecting a bit of sanity into that thread. Funny to see the same old in that thread that when a TRA/handmaiden is backed into a corner of common sense they will just shout TERF and then bugger off!

I think the person who said they don't identify as a feminist any more was siding with the Rose defence, not Andi's.

Oh god you're right Vanessa. What very confused young women they both are if she thinks the transbot is what feminism is about.