Olympic sports -trans

[Callinthepirates]

Operation peak-trans my friend.

I need an article about the IOC removing testosterone testing.

I have goggled it and can't find anything recent or concrete sounding and certainly nothing that doesn't focus on intersex.

So did I make it up? Or is it (weirdly) underreported?

Thanks

The closest I have seen is a petition to remove testosterone testing.

Dutee Chand case

Note this case is to do with intersex athletes, not trans athletes - but the trans movement is trying to co-opt intersex conditions and use tehm to further its political aims.

As far as I know the Chand case currently is not being generalised to trans athletes - trans athletes still have to reduce their testosterone below 10nmol/litre (which arguably puts them at a huge advantage compared to women as this is way more than any non-intersex woman will achieve without artificial doping).

This is an interesting read in a WTAF sort of way: Two trans cyclists argue over whether they should be forced to reduce testosterone levels Bearden thinks that transwomen should have to reduce levels, McKinnon thinks that's a "human rights violation" (I think neither of them should be competing).

Also Caster Semenya and the womens 800m final at Rio. Lynsey Sharps interview after is priceless. Again about intersex or unnaturally high testost levels, but still relevant.

Try this thread

It gets a bit taken over by a gobshite towards the end but has some good facts.

Including The International Olympic Committee (IOC), in charge of making the rules for the 2018 Winter Olympic Games in South Korea, said that there will be no sex or gender testing required for the upcoming games

Thanks everyone.

I think I got confused as I thought testosterone limits had been lifted for trans too.

Well, they have effectively.

They are allowed to have testosterone limits that are more than 5 times the "normal" levels for women, and are within the normal limits (though at the lower end of normal) for men.

So some men will be able to compete as women with no hormone treatment at all, some will need a bit - but will still have substantially higher levels than the women they are competing against (and will obviously have completely male skeletons, muscles, hearts, lungs and physiology ).

I totally agree maryz, it still doesn't have the snappy hit of "no limit" that makes discussion with the non-gender critical much easier :-)

It might help if you told them that non-intersex women with testosterone levels that high would be disqualified as they would be assumed to be doping.

Ihave quoted that the "IOC say no sex or gender testing will be done" - so they are saying that if a man happens to have a low testosterone level, naturally, he can compete in the women's events. The divisions are therefore not now "women" and "men" they are "humans with testosterone level less than X" and "all humans".

If the testosterone levels are the only things that give any advantage, there should now presumably be a load of women taking testosterone winning the mens events? No? Maybe not [sigh]

Sorry to gatecrash this thread (and sorry to shout) but I have just woken up to the fact that Margot James MP, who re-tweeted a Janice Turner article, was appointed on 9 Jan 2018 as Minister of State and the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and SPORT!

Hallelujah!