Study finds massive rise in sexual offences in Target gender neutral changing rooms

[CapnHaddock]

Target is a big chain of US department stores which introduced gender neutral changing rooms in 2016. Since then, voyeurism offences have tripled

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It’s a bit no shit Sherlock but useful

Had a discussion at work that got heated

The comment that really fucked me off (by a man) was that the there are no reports in the UK of a trans person attacking a women in women’s only space

Right so we have to wait to be attacked because how many of us would report being pervered over

Ffs

Maybe you can be a genuine trans person and a pervert too

Male, Female and Unisex spaces are all the only way forward to keep girls and women feeling safe

Enthusiasm I'm sure there are actually.
There's a Facebook page/group called "this never happens" and I'm sure there are many examples on there of transwomen committing offenses against women in women only spaces.

I don’t doubt there are

The fact is they are all male and shouldn’t be in female only spaces

Hang on - there is a pretty big other factor here. They have not had access to actual reports of assualts at Target, but instead to MEDIA REPORTS of assaults at Target. Gender neutral changing rooms got Target a lot of attention, and a lot of scepticism, from some very vocal areas of the press. This is also quite likely to be a reason for reporting additional assualts (nor does the study check which assualts were in any way connected to changing rooms).

Personally I don't love the idea of, for example, middle aged men being able to take a photo of teenage girls trying on swimsuits, but this isn't meaningful evidence of harm.

Without the data from police (and how would they get that?) then media reports seem like a pretty good place to start.

So is your argument that actually voyeurism didn't increase when they changed to mixed sex changing rooms but the media made it look like that because the media is trying to prove it's bullshit?

How cunning. You look lovely in that tinfoil hat incidentally

Women suddenly starting reporting, no doubt, when they hadn't dared to before, because they felt so validated by having their spaces colonised by upskirters?

For a start Target did not switch to gender neutral fitting rooms over night. Many stores have had them for years, IIRC the announcement was more inline with the final few converting rather than an overnight refit.

Second, you don't get meaningful crime stats from google and media reports. You get them from the courts and judicial system, and having been involved in the collection of crime stats i can assure you even those are not accurate.

Finally the author of this report is hardly and unbiased source, but rather a prominent anti trans campaigner with a very strong bias.

Mmm i wonder how many of us have reported to the police or made a complaint to management about being perved over

How do you even go about this

I felt he was looking at me in a sexual way we know when it’s happening but put it in words it can so easily be dismissed and women are sadly used to having their feelings/fears questioned and dismissed

Then we know our feelings are not as valid as males it’s history and it’s still what happens today

Thanks Debbie6666 - agree, I've used similar stats before and media reports are just not an accurate way of doing this. **Capnhaddock - this is no tinfoil hat, or saying that voyeurism hasn't increased (it might have) but that due to the attention on Target, media reports are not very helpful in this context.

To put it another way - media reports of sexual harassment by male celebrities would have gone up a lot this year Vs last. However this doesn't mean that celebrity harassment has increased, but that #metoo media attention has made past victims come forward and women who are being harassed now are also much more likely to (a) raise a complaint and (b) have this covered in the media.

This report doesn't help anyone's case.

There is a good chance that none or very few of the Target predators were technically trans people (or at least not the dysphoric kind). It's just that the law has provided a loophole for predators and the umbrella of what constitutes trans cast so wide.

Just wanted to post this again because it is exactly what I feel.