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(Unintentionally) revealing Guardian article on Paris Lees’ Tory lust

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hipsterfun · 02/02/2018 10:01

Charm, style, tousled hair: is it any surprise we lust after Tories?

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Not only that, but Paris Lees, with her characteristic confessional incontinence (are there pads for that?) encased by an apparently bulletproof certainty in her endlessly fascinating existence, could have dispensed with the pretence implied in the article that her political convictions run counter to those of the men over whose reactionary fervour she seems so much to lust. I can understand the appeal of a deception that interpolates antagonisms into relations where none actually exist; it generates a delicious frisson of perversity amidst entirely conventional sexual encounters. But, on the whole, I think I'd prefer to be frank.

This is, after all, an author who expressed her support for the legalisation of prostitution in terms that could be summarised as, "this is the world we live in, there's always been the sale of sex, women can choose, therefore they should be allowed to do what they want" (along with pimps, brothel managers and trafficking gangs, presumably). This kind of middlebrow casuistry should be familiar since it forms a large part of liberal discourse in general, which never tires of mistaking a description of things with irrefutable insight into their origins and operations. Likewise the charming capitalist totem that sees that all's well in the world as long as individuals are at liberty to choose freely their own commodification, exploitation and violation. We know they are free to choose this because they are also free to choose the alternatives, which might include homelessness and starvation.

And if that piece of capitalist apologetics sounds familiar, it might be because it is the exact same argument advanced by Vox's Matt Yglesias following the Bangladeshi sweatshop factory collapse that killed over 1000 workers. The one where he wrote that such catastrophes shouldn't generate too much anger or dismay, since the crushed workers freely chose to take jobs in a dangerously built sweatshop knowing that they would be compensated financially for the greater risk to their health. This, Yglesias purred, constituted the "collective calculus" according to which poorer nations resisted regulations or workers rights in order to attain an edge over those they compete against for the right to be exploited the most by vampiric Western manufacturers.

There is of course nothing progressive about extreme narcissism and individualism, which almost certainly explains why Lees found herself repeatedly drawn to right-wing trouser snakes. The fleshpots of the Western world are filled with men who indulge their vices at night to relax from trampling on workers during the day. But then, I suppose, an article right-wing postmodern identitarian hacks fucking neoliberal men wouldn't allow for quite the same level of self-regard, which aside from delight at the objectifying male gaze appears to be the generative force behind most of Lees' work.

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PerkingFaintly · 02/02/2018 12:35

Thanks for explaining that, hackmum. I don't often see the Guardian's online front page, and when I do read the title, it often feels like I'm seeing something completely version from what people describe on here.

Eg I've seen substantial coverage of what's happening to the Rohingya, over a long period.

Search brings up this today:
Myanmar: UN and US deeply troubled over new report of five mass graves
www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/02/myanmar-un-and-us-deeply-troubled-over-new-report-of-five-mass-graves

This 2 days ago:
Displaced Rohingya children left in limbo by refugee crisis
www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/01/devoid-of-hope-displaced-rohingya-children-are-vulnerable-to-trafficking-and-radicalisation

And so on.

From what you say, I AM seeing a different paper - and once I'm on the site, I follow linked stories at the bottom or use search.

It's a real shame if readers are missing the serious journalism because the clickbait stuff is being highlighted. Although I can see why they do it to get readers on the site in the first place.

boatyardblues · 02/02/2018 12:40

Thanks for pointing out that there is coverage buried further down. I’ll own up to an entirely “Oh FFS!” knee jerk reaction this morning & stomping off to have my shower. The point is that lots of is have limited time to dig around finding the hefty, serious journalism & that’s the stuff that made the Guardian such a compelling read back in the day. It’s sad the lifestyle puff and opinion pieces are diminishing the brand.

Ereshkigal · 02/02/2018 12:42

Has Paris definitely got one, MrsMiguel? I wasn't sure.

hipsterfun · 02/02/2018 13:19

I think it’s impolite to speculate, tbh.

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DickTERFin · 02/02/2018 13:24

DickTERFin that was what I took away from the article. Paris wants us to picture her sighing over her lady-problems, while suitors line up at the door of her boudoir. Once she finished writing it she possibly wandered over to the mirror to sing a couple of verses of 'I feel pretty'.

It's wistful fan fiction, not journalism.

Brilliant! I bahahaha'd at that HomeTerf

AngryAttackKittens · 02/02/2018 13:48

And all the suitors look like Hugh Grant in Notting Hill.

AngryAttackKittens · 02/02/2018 13:49

( I refuse to believe that even Paris Lees is picturing, say, Norman Tebbit when he talks about Tories being dashing and glam.)

whoputthecatout · 02/02/2018 16:20

And I couldn’t help but wonder: is there a part of me, as a trans woman, that is attracted to conservatives precisely because of the suspicion they wouldn’t accept me? Is this the ultimate validation
says Paris renta-gob Lees in the article.

No love, your ultimate validation is seeing trans women take over our safe spaces, our right to have intimate exams done by a woman, our sports, our changing rooms, our prisons, even our right to call ourselves women.

Actus · 02/02/2018 19:21

Not sure I can bothered reading the article after that. There is nothing else to be said thank you for saving me time I would never get back.

OlennasWimple · 02/02/2018 19:38

Ah well, Paris also claims to have undergone the very same horrific ordeal suffered by the "transwomen" (aka ladyboys) in Thailand - tweet here

Hmm

So state police arrested Paris as a child and forcibly shaved Paris's head? Really??

(I know Paris probably means that his dad made him keep his hair short and more masculine, but that's not what Paris said, and it's not what the commenters on the tweet mostly seem to think)

BonnieF · 02/02/2018 19:42

The Guardian used to be a serious newspaper but those days are long gone. It’s now full of ‘provocative’ clickbait and vacuous virtue signalling rubbish like a mirror image of the Fail.

AngryAttackKittens · 02/02/2018 19:44

That's it exactly. What the Mail is for more conservative people the Guardian is for right on pseudo lefties.

Ereshkigal · 02/02/2018 20:41

I didn't realise Paris was arrested by the Indonesian police as a youth. That must have been terrible.

hipsterfun · 03/02/2018 00:04

Ereshkigal, that made me laugh Smile

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Ereshkigal · 03/02/2018 00:07

I think Paris is losing the plot a bit.

SlowlyShrinking · 03/02/2018 06:56

Too much validation is making him believe his own lies

Ereshkigal · 03/02/2018 07:48

Did you see the tweets about how men are going to be able to get pregnant soon so boo sucks to you TERFs?

AngryAttackKittens · 03/02/2018 07:50

Imagine Madigan pregnant (in a sci fi alternate universe in which the idea wasn't ludicrous). Fragile little petal wouldn't make it through the first trimester. And then what about when the baby was born and got on with the business of eating, crying, pooping, and sleeping, with no time at all devoted to telling Liam how special and amazing he is?

Ereshkigal · 03/02/2018 09:23

twitter.com/parislees/status/959152634287575040

hipsterfun · 03/02/2018 09:38

Paris dear, even if you care more about TIMs carrying babies than you care about the health of those babies...

Despite advances, womb transplant is still very much an experimental procedure, with British experts warning that initiating a pregnancy in a transgender woman may be unethical as it could pose “significant” risk to the foetus.

Where are all these uteruses going to come from? Most women benefit from keeping theirs, even when it’s not occupied, so they’re hardly going to hand them over to a bunch of males.

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AngryAttackKittens · 03/02/2018 09:41

Trans men.

You know, in case this whole thing wasn't sinister enough yet.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 03/02/2018 09:41

I actually wish I believed it (except for the questions of where all the relevant body parts are going to come from, risks to foetus etc)

If TIMs started getting pregnant and having babies then everyone would genuinely start seeing and treating them as if they were women. Might come as a bit of a shock to some of them.

Ereshkigal · 03/02/2018 09:43

On the tweet thread there are lots of women falling over themselves to offer their uteruses to TIMs.

hipsterfun · 03/02/2018 09:44

More fool them.

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AngryAttackKittens · 03/02/2018 09:46

I love how people seem to think that having their uterus removed in a way that made transplantation possible would be simple and easy so why not do it? They really do think people are like Mr Potato Head dolls and you can just swap out the parts as and when you feel like it.

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