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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC - Who, or what, defines you as a woman?

33 replies

Minerva1234 · 30/01/2018 20:57

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-42864916/who-or-what-defines-you-as-a-woman

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thebewilderness · 31/01/2018 03:26

The expert failed to mention that when the trans identified male shows up swinging his dick in the changing room or rest room the women clump up and wait for him to finish so they can go back to what they were doing.

Justabunchofcunts · 31/01/2018 16:25

I think some of it is fear of being called transphobic. The guardian/observer's reporting on prisoner Marie looks to me like serious bias and quite possibly deliberate. I will never trust or buy the guardian or observer again.

OnTheList · 31/01/2018 16:34

I was interviewed for this. I stated all the reasons it's a terrible idea, prisons, rape crises centres, medical care etc etc, but they haven't included it.

Sounds about right.

bambambini · 31/01/2018 17:06

No-one’s challenged you in a public toilet because women don’t pick arguments with men in public toilets. It doesnt mean they didn’t notice you or were comfortable with you being there. If you were a woman, you’d know this.

Well quite. Are they just being niave- or manipulative when this is trotted out. Tbh, I don’t know how I’d feel seeing a large really obviously male TW in the loos - afaik, it’s not happened yet. I fo stop and give pause when i walk in and there’s a male cleaner or maintenance man - I’ve possibly walked out again at times and went elsewhere - it definitely throws me and makes me uncomfortable. Changing rooms/dhowers - a whole different situation again - though a TW did use my clubs communal shower/changing areas. One woman made an official complaint when the TW walked in when the woman was alone naked in the showers.

UpABitLate · 31/01/2018 17:44

I stopped when someone said "I feel female".

Female is not a feeling it is a material reality.

They don't see women and girls as 3D beings with actual internal lives and thoughts and individual experiences at all really do they.

sarahjconnor · 31/01/2018 17:54

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Ereshkigal · 31/01/2018 19:02

They don't see women and girls as 3D beings with actual internal lives and thoughts and individual experiences at all really do they.

That's it.

Collidascope · 31/01/2018 19:28

One of the things that bothers me most is when someone (sane) on Twitter defines womanhood by biology or xx chromosomes or possession of a vagina, and the TRAs immediately pounce and say, "oh so you're reducing a woman to her chromosomes! You're basically saying she's a walking vagina. That's so misogynistic!"
Well, no, the fact that anyone would say that suggests a really basic lack of understanding of how language works or a massive streak of disingenuousness.
It doesn't reduce a woman to her vagina or chromosomes anymore than calling Donald Trump a president means he is restricted to being merely 'head of state'. He's also old, fat, an arsehole, a misogynist, racist, orange, rich, a father, a husband and stupid.
A woman can be many other things as well, and the joy of language is that we have the words to describe those other things.
Woman is a biological term. It doesn't need to incorporate a load of other meanings for the sake of a few dishonest little men who want to lay claim to it.

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