Fascinating article about the difference between HST and AGP transwomen

[Sillyjelly]

I've been conflicted whilst researching gender critical theory and trans ideology. Largely I've been confused between the difference in online trans people and the 'real life' trans people I know.

As a lesbian, I mainly know transmen (who previously identified as lesbians) and who without exception appear to fit the ROGD theory. It is through knowing these people that I first became sceptical about trans claims.

This article has helped me understand the difference between the very 'normal' seeming trans women who I can relate to, and the hyper glamorous ones who I feel mock womanhood.

rodfleming.com/jenner-not-the-face-of-trans-women/

I'm not convinced, to be honest. Adult human males are still men, not women irrespective of their motivation to
'transition'.

The author relies heavily on stereotypes to validate the authenticity of the TIM - acting girly and not good at sport.

Regardless of their motivations, TIM are using women's facilities and are taking over women's positions, so are not as harmless as the author assumes.

And will people stop using the word girl to describe men. It's creepy.

Interesting. But how can he say the HSTS aren't interested in gay relationships when a lot are still physically male and in a relationship with a man? It doesn't matter what clothes you wear, it's the body that counts. I don't buy that HSTS are a type of woman. They're a type of man.

Rod's 'girlfriend' is HSTS.

It is interesting. Are the HSTS's the ones who get called 'truscum'?

This bit though from the article.

''Nobody takes them seriously as men anyway and they are useless at it. They have no hope of succeeding in the patriarchal status rat-race as men, but as women, their beauty is their ally.''

I can't accept this. We're not a bin for all the people who fail at stereotypical masculinity.

So I’m a shit woman because I’m fat and ugly? That’s the take away from this beautiful is womanly. No thanks.

Born as male and attracted to men (presumably male rather than transmen at that). Homosexual in other words. The trans agenda really need to make up new words to describe this new world we are all being pushed into as at present it makes no sense at all. Why can't this type of commentator put their energy into supporting young men (gay or straight) to be non-conforming? I'd me fine accepting a feminine man, seems like it's other men that have the problem with it.

I wonder about that claim that the overwhelming majority of trans women are not autogynephiles. How would the author know given that trans activists usually deny they exist at all.

Plus from the article what I got as a strong message is that the group he is describing are strongly driven by a sexual urge to be with men 'as women' which sounds pretty much like a fetish to me. Just because some of this group are pretty doesn't make them women. I wonder whether the author is struggling with his own attraction to a man if he himself doesn't want to identify as gay.

I'd also like some evidence for the claim that that it is matriarchal societies that have more men presenting as women as my understanding is the opposite, that it is societies with very rigid gender rules that are more likely to have a 'third' gender (something that many transactivists reject anyway).

Rod knows a lot about HSTS TIMs. For er... personal reasons. He doesn't like AGP individuals being lumped in with them for er... the same personal reasons.

He is also a vehement anti-feminist.

He does know a lot. But, dislike for AGPs aside, I doubt there's much most of us here would agree with him about.

I struggled to read the article because I was being deafened by the very loud agendas grinding away at each other.

The one thing (and only thing) I'd like to know is does the author see himself as gay?

Hmmm.

I saw a YouTube video of Rod Fleming ( i'm assuming it's the same one), where he talks about the difference between HTST and AGP.

He certainly had the two types pretty nailed down.

He's not a feminist, though, and doesn't contextualise any of this with feminist theory. And cones across as sexist.

This article though now seems to be a concerted effort to make even more of a distinction, and framing HTST as genuine women.

Not something he said before...

And he's now in a relationship with a HTST?

It sounds to me as though he is legitimising his own internalised homophobia.

Nothing to see here. The man I'm having a relationship with is a woman.

Pull the other one Rod.

That was diplomatically put Lang, I was struggling.