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Women jailed due to sexual history from when she was 14 years old

73 replies

WhatHappenedToCommonSense · 30/01/2018 15:40

Can anyone explain to me how a women in her mid-twenties can be convicted because of her sexual history as a 14 year old?

Being sexually active with a boy at 14, even if only for a couple of times, is bad enough, removing your childhood innocence at an early age, but to be questioned and convicted because of it 10 years later beggars belief.

Just been made aware of some disturbing facts about a very public trial, which raises so many questions, but this point worries me the most.

How can it be relevant in any shape or form?
How does this support justice or the encouragement for women to report rape?

How? How? How? It is all very disturbing.

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Littlechocola · 30/01/2018 20:00

She lied in court. Simple as that.

Aridane · 30/01/2018 20:08

The woman made multiple false allegations of rape / gang rape / sexual assault. And lied in court.

Llamallann · 30/01/2018 20:14

She lied under oath. That is a crime. She also made false accusations which is why it’s so bloody difficult for people to be convicted of rape and, in fact, a reason why the defence love going into people’s sexual history!

She committed a crime which is punishable by a prison sentence - the purjury has absolutely nothing to do with her sexual history for goodness sake!!

Gwenhwyfar · 30/01/2018 20:20

I don't know about the other things she's accused of, but surely sex before the age of consent is not consensual sex so it isn't a lie, if that's what she was asked.

WhatHappenedToCommonSense · 31/01/2018 09:33

I don't know about the other things she's accused of, but surely sex before the age of consent is not consensual sex so it isn't a lie, if that's what she was asked

A good point, as are the many other points on the website.

It is not as clean cut as the daily mail and other papers would have us believe. The website is actually very objective with details of the police documents that they have obtained the information from.

Its a long read, going through it all on the website, but worth it.

She was convicted in part because of her sexual history as a 14 year old, which is disturbing. To me at least, if no-one else.

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Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 31/01/2018 09:54

I was thinking what gwen just wrote

InfiniteSheldon · 31/01/2018 10:06

Sex between a fourteen year old and a fifteen year old..... By that logic have they then raped each other? She has been jailed and the rape charge overturned because she lied repeatedly under oath and made the conviction unsafe and proved herself an unreliable witness she deserves to be in jail women who lie about rape should be jailed.

Notallthat · 31/01/2018 10:06

I am sure there is far more to this, however she wasn't disbelieved because of her sexual history she was disbelieved because she lied about it. I do wonder how it was actually phrased to her in court. I am surprised that people who had sex before the age of 16 feel they did not consent to it. Legally i may not have been able to consent but if anyone ever asked me i would, without pause, say i consented... because I did, the fact the law does not accept my consent if a totally different thing.

Viviennemary · 31/01/2018 10:12

Of course she should be in prison for what she did. She was over the age of criminal responsibility and committed the crime of perjury in an extremely serious case.

DriggleDraggle · 31/01/2018 10:18

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GladAllOver · 31/01/2018 11:04

OP if you are not prepared to listen to what you have been told repeatedly, why are you even here?
SHE WAS SENTENCED FOR PERJURY.

TheHodgeoftheHedge · 31/01/2018 11:12

And you're getting bogged down on one point - she has been jailed for 4 counts of perjury. Along with the numerous counts of perverting the course of justice.
And no one here has mentioned anything about any tabloid or sensationalist reporting. Please read that Guardian article posted before. They are unbiased and actually in court.

I am actually beginning to find your repeated defence of someone who has repeatedly made up false accusations that damage other women dealing with real assaults and landed innocent people in jail, deeply offensive.

Dazedandconfuzzled · 31/01/2018 11:23

So she lied under oath and has been sentenced for perjury? Well if she lied under oath and they can prove that then of course she had committed perjury. I think what she lied about is irrelevant, you are told clearly that your testimony must be truthful. As for been unable to consent as she was under the age of consent I don't think it works like that although I am happy to be corrected. I had sex at 15 and I definitely consented.

Aridane · 31/01/2018 11:28

Here is the Guardian article - shocking behaviour by woman and a well-deserved sentence. Judge makes good comments on how this puts back rape victims:

woman who made a series of false rape claims and sexual assault allegations has been jailed for 10 years.

Jemma Beale claimed she had been seriously sexually assaulted by six men and raped by nine, all strangers, in four different incidents over three years.

The 25-year-old was found guilty in July at Southwark crown court of four counts of perjury and four counts of perverting the course of justice.

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Sentencing her on Thursday, the judge, Nicholas Loraine-Smith, said: “This trial has revealed, what was then not obvious, that you are a very, very convincing liar and you enjoy being seen as a victim.

“The prosecution described your life as a ‘construct of bogus victimhood’.”

Madeleine Wolfe, prosecuting, told the court police spent 6,400 hours investigating Beale’s claims at a cost of at least £250,000, and the trial cost at least £109,000.

Lawrence Henderson, defending, said Beale maintains her innocence and was considering an appeal against the sentence.

He told the court: “Ms Beale stands by the claims she made in this matter and if she had her time again she would again plead not guilty to these matters and contest the trial.”

Beale from Bedfont, west London, sat with her arms crossed as she was jailed for a total of 10 years, with the judge branding her behaviour as “manipulative”.

He said: “These offences usually began as a drunken attempt to get your partner’s sympathy or perhaps to arouse her jealousy.

“They each began impulsively, but what is particularly chilling is the manner in which you persisted in making allegations which you knew were untrue even to the extent of committing and repeating perjury.”

He continued: “These false allegations of rape, false allegations which will inevitably be widely publicised, are likely to have the perverse impact of increasing the likelihood of guilty men going free.

“Cases such as this bring a real risk that a woman who has been raped or sexually assaulted may not complain to the police for fear of not being believed.”

Detectives launched an investigation into Beale in December 2013 after they learned of a claim by one of her former girlfriends that a man had been wrongly jailed after Beale lied about being raped by him in November 2010.

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Police said the information came to light when officers were investigating a separate allegation by Beale, where she claimed to have been raped by a number of men during an incident in November 2013.

With concerns over Beale’s account, officers carried out a review of four investigations into allegations of rape and sexual assault made by Beale.

Police found common discrepancies and similar circumstances within the allegations, which strengthened their suspicions that Beale may have fabricated them.

The Metropolitan police said one of the rape allegations made to police by Beale in 2010 led to the conviction of a man, Mahad Cassim, who was jailed for seven years.

After the CPS and his defence team were alerted to the fact there were serious doubts over the validity of Beale’s allegations, the man subsequently appealed against his conviction and it was quashed at the court of appeal in July 2015.

In a victim impact statement, Cassim told the court how the false claim had had a huge impact on his life. He added: “One of my goals is to be a successful businessman, to have a nice family and be happy. I am working on the happiness - I have a long way to go.”

Beale had also falsely claimed she was groped by a stranger, Noam Shahzad, in a pub in July 2012. She said she was then gang-raped by him and a group of other men, and even injured herself to back up her claims she had been assaulted with barbed wire.

Beale then fabricated similar allegations against six other men in 2013.

She claimed two strangers sexually assaulted her close to her home before she was put through another gang rape attack by four others two months later.

Aridane · 31/01/2018 11:29

Poor Mahad Cassim

MorrisZapp · 31/01/2018 11:32

Good god. I don't think this thread can possibly go the way you want it to, op.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 31/01/2018 11:34

I agree morris

The woman made false accusations and lied on the stand she 'had' to be jailed

TheHodgeoftheHedge · 31/01/2018 11:47

You may also find this unbiased external legal blog interesting reading:
barristerblogger.com/2017/08/30/ian-watkins-jemma-beale-cases-make-us-uncomfortable-justice-system/

It helps shed some light on why she may have made those claims including the £11k she received in compensation from the first case and the genuine failings of the prosecution service in enabling these repeated claims.

And it puts into perspective her false claims that "Within the space of four years Beale had claimed to have been seriously sexually assaulted by six men and raped by nine." That's not hyperbole or media spin, that's what she falsely claimed.

GladAllOver · 31/01/2018 13:06

Madeleine Wolfe, prosecuting, told the court police spent 6,400 hours investigating Beale’s claims at a cost of at least £250,000, and the trial cost at least £109,000.
That money and police time should have been spent investigating genuine cases of assault and rape, instead of being wasted on this perpetual liar.
With police resources being as limited as they are, it is inevitable that someone somewhere has suffered because of her lies.
OP you should be ashamed of supporting this disgraceful criminal. I suggest you give up now.

WhatHappenedToCommonSense · 31/01/2018 14:13

My last comment on this thread

We are all entitled to our opinion. Every comment on here refers to papers etc and my suggestion is that if you take the time to read the website, you will see that there is clearly more to this.

If you do not want to spend the time to see facts about another side to this, which raises a lot of wider topics, then that is your choice.

My choice was to take the time and my views on this are not now so clear cut. That is my opinion.

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Dazedandconfuzzled · 31/01/2018 14:19

The website run by her family?? I'm not saying that some of what they say might be true but ultimately they are going to be biased. She was found guilty by a court, there was evidence she lied. Woman making false accusations is so damaging as it makes it less likely other woman will come forward etc. She didn't do this once, she was found guilty of doing it numerous times.

Dazedandconfuzzled · 31/01/2018 14:20

And the articles posted by the press you seen to hate so much are just reporting on the results of the court case which are fact not supposition.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 31/01/2018 14:26

whathappened

I have had a quick look at the website and I appreciate your concerns

Trouble is that without both sides to the story i cant sit here and say its a travesty

I can absolutely see how she might not be lying about the consensual consent bit but without any further evidence its very difficult to comment on anything else

Are the family going to appeal?

WhollyFather · 31/01/2018 14:44

Beale was found guilty of four counts of perjury and four counts of perverting the course of justice, and very serious ones at that. These offences undermine the basis of our criminal justice system and are always heavily punished. Beale will have received a higher sentence for pleading not guilty, and for knowing her false testimony led to one man spending four years in prison for something he did not do. Her sexual history did not enter into it.

As to the Stonehill / 14 years old business, I can find no evidence that Stonehill admitted any such thing, though the family's propaganda website (which contains, IMO, several defamatory statements about named individuals) claims it has access to two statements he made to the police admitting the allegation. Sadly, no link or transcript = no evidence.

Ten years is the right sentence.

TheHodgeoftheHedge · 31/01/2018 15:01

OP, I honestly can't work out if you're being deliberately obtuse, genuinely goady or are just stupid.