Women biased against women

[Nanodust]

This makes me angry and sad but I have personal experience that it is true.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09pl66d

Certainly worth a listen!

We all live in a biased system, and we wont find out who we really are until we are all free enough to explore other possibilities. Its an act of rebellion to try to break the conditioning and centre women, and its why feminists are reviled.

I heard that.

It saddens me to say so but in reality it points to the fact that we need all the male allies we can get. Especially the social media stuff.

Will there ever be an equal society? I find the logic of women being treated as second rate very hard to understand.

I haven’t studied women’s studies or feminism but can anyone summarise for me how this has come to be? Is it as basic as our cave dwelling ancestors and women being seen as the ‘weaker’ gender purely in terms of physical strength?

We are a resource - we create the next generation of workers, and resources are controlled and hoarded.

That was a good programme. Plain reporting being more of a inquiry into things rather than having any particular agenda. A fair few "gosh, really?" moments.

Maugrim

You could read up about it here

historyofwomen.org/oppression.html

Sorry to drag this back to the trans issue, but on FB and Twitter etc there are plenty of women siding with the TRA against women's rights.

It's baffling to me! Like being black and wanting to bring back black slavery.

Thank you for the link. It is a relief not to have been born during the 1400s!

Could you explain why you are relating this to trans issues and what is the TRA- yes I am sure I sound ignorant but I am being honest and genuinely want to understand more.

'Mary Ann Sieghart asks where these discriminatory attitudes come from...'

Hmm... can't think where it comes from... I'll take a stab and say 'internalized misogyny from an inherently patriarchal society', perhaps?

I've experienced discrimination from other women too (female HR manager refusing to offer me transfer options during redundancy process because 'she's pregnant so no-one would want to take her on' ) and office bitchiness and so on.

I think it is getting better among younger women due to increased visibility of women in leadership roles and better opportunities all round.

We can thank feminism for that.

The more I find out about the history of female oppression, misogyny and women who align themselves to patriarchal belief systems the more sad I become.

This has been going on for centuries, the frequent and plentiful examples of women in developed societies here and now (Presindents Club....etc) really do mean things haven’t moved on so much if you scratch the surface just a little.

I also think when a woman does try to address the balance she has to be absolutely amazing and even at that will often be grouped with the mediocre men.

I hate it and hope that my to DCs, both female get on okay in this society

Could you explain why you are relating this to trans issues and what is the TRA- yes I am sure I sound ignorant but I am being honest and genuinely want to understand more

Well just look at this board. Or the general MN boards.

Gender critical women feel we are under attack from an agenda which reduces us to a costume, which threatens the safe spaces we need 'cos biology and 'cos male violence, which claims that 'gender' is an actual thing, more important than chromosomes.

And we say this and every time some handmaiden pops up to say NAMALT/I support our transfer sisters/can't we just be nice/I doubt any men would want to abuse women THAT HAS LITERALLY NEVER HAPPENED/you might hurt someone's feelings being horrid like that.

So, yeah, that really.

Thank you. That is interesting and I will look into it more.