TERF

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Anyone else not really give a fuck at being called one?

Just reading some of their tweets about how we are jealous of their 'vagina's' because theirs don't smell.......

Heh. I have heard that one before. I would much rather my nether regions smelt of vagina than smelt of colon tbh.

I have also been told by a TRA that men prefer transwomen as women who have given birth have gaping fannies (learn about female biology you fools) and saggy tits. That was a lovely conversation. Yes, of course straight men would prefer a transwomen

Depends on the likelihood that they're going to physically attack me. Female TRAs, meh, they'll eventually grow out of it and be embarrassed about the stupid things they believed in their youth. The male ones though, some of them are both violent and unhinged enough not to stop to think about consequences.

Just reading some of their tweets about how we are jealous of their 'vagina's' because theirs don't smell.......

Mine also has 100% less chance of growing rogue hairballs and isn't in danger of healing shut so, you know, swings and roundabouts.

The contrast between "my life is a pit of misery and despair because nobody will shag me!" and "women are so jealous of my sexy body" is pretty funny. Denial and projection all wrapped up in one deeply embarrassing Twitter persona.

Can the two excellent acronyms be mixed as a glorious play on 'surf and turf'

TERF & PERF

On a tshirt, with the meanings added somehow.

I couldn't care less. It means less than nothing to me, no power.

Addressing the book "Chavs" though. Have you read it? It's about the demonisation of the poor. He's not using it in a derogatory way. Only in so much that he is describing how it is used to dismiss and vilify poor people.

Ha! I like "Telling Everyone Real Facts"

I like PERF too. Here’s to all us PERFect TERFs.

ThreeWeeBirds

I've also read that before. That the youngsters in the community are genuinely feeling scared, as though we are the enemy, hellbent on their destruction.

The trans rhetoric and the whipping up of negativity has gone a long way to promote that, I think.

The way some TRAs are claiming TERFs plan genocide, actually pinpointing the stages that lead to genocide and saying how close we are to it.

If being a terf means i support the rights of trans people to live without persecution and yet still believe in the value of sex segregation in certain circumstances then hell yeah im a terf. Proud to be one.

I think the meaning is not the point, it's the fact that the word is used to dehumanise and promote violence against women.
Any word only used as an insult is an insult.
www.terfisaslur.com

It's an odd one.

Calling someone a terf is a conversation ender. And it's loaded. Massively.

I'm loathe to play into anyone's hand by embracing a term that is designed to dehumanise.

Because it is very definitely used to strip the receiver of any humanity. Replace it with almost any other word like woman, Jew, and it's shocking.

On the other hand, saying yeah, I'm a terf, so what? Has a certain intractable assertion to it that is very satisfying.

You stop being someone who has just been insulted and stripped of humanity and become an upfront challenger, out and proud.

But until more people are willing to reclaim the word terf and tip the balance between it being an insult and it being a recognised bit of desperate rhetoric, it feels as though we should take a middle ground that might work better.

So not deny it and get defensive, laugh at it and say that's a meaningless term. Or assert that if you're a terf, so is everyone on the planet, including Mother Nature.

In other words, don't give it a hard landing that it can bounce off, give it a soft landing so it fails ricochet off its own momentum.

I'm not sure that makes sense. I had in mind and the way you play tennis. When you get a softball it's a lot harder to return it, than when you get a hardball, the impetus of which can be used against your opponent, despite it being generated by your opponent in the first place.

I keep pointing out that mother nature is the ultimate TERF. Don't like the fact that human sexual dimorphism exists? Not my fault, mate.

It would make a pretty good t-shirt.

I don't like getting called a TERF. To quote Luke Skywalker: "Impressive... Every word in that sentence was wrong." I don't exclude trans men, they are entirely welcome in my feminism, which is for females. I'm also not a radical feminist as the Marxist underpinnings kind of put me off. I'm just a regular feminist who wants to support the wims.

Datun & *Three
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On the thread about the GRA meeting in Glasgow there's a pic of the leaflet that the anti capitalist queer antifa?! demonstrators were handing out.

It talks about Trans Exterminationist Radical Feminists - absolutely designed to put fear into people that don't know any better.

I'm also in two minds about Terf.

On the one hand I personally don't give a shiny but ultimately I think it is used as a slur designed to dehumanise and that can't go unchallenged.

It then makes it much much easier to dismiss & ignore what GC feminists have to say which is a huge problem if we want people to listen to our arguments.

It talks about Trans Exterminationist Radical Feminists - absolutely designed to put fear into people that don't know any better.

I can't help feeling they are going to massively over reach with this nonsense. Couple that acronym with the claim we promote genocide, and it looks like the mad ramblings of a loon.

You have to remember that we are seeing the extreme end before everyone else.

The general public are still at wait, what? most transwomen still have a penis??

There's something to be said, I guess, for reclaiming the word, much as "queer" has been reclaimed by gay people and "cripple" by some disabled activists.

And in a way, who cares? I've recently come to the conclusion that people who bandy about the term TERF are just morons, utterly incapable of formulating a single thought for themselves.

The problem I see with ‘reclaiming’ terf is that girls like the one I was speaking to won’t see that reclamation as a way to overcome a slur, they’ll see it as women saying “yeah, I’m a nazi - so what?” I hadn’t realised how ~scared~ some adolescents are of the terf bogey-women. These girls desperately need help, and tactics that work to counter (and piss off) the TRAs will unfortunately be likely to just convince the girls that the TRAs are right.

I had to google the meaning when I first encountered it. I didn’t feel it was an insult, just a very accurate representation of my stance. If anyone called me a TERF I’d say they were spot on.

I dont feel I need to 'reclaim' a word that was never mine to begin with. Its not a word that feminists invented and was stolen from us.

'reclaim terf' just supports the trans rights narrative that is not a slur and was invented by radfems. That is a lie, and I'm not about to enable yet another trans activist lie.

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But, be kind, right side of history, most oppressed blah blah blah. Just keep on showing us who you are

Thank you for that demonstration of civil in the spirit debate and non-dehumanisation.

I wouldn't define myself necessarily as a radical feminist either, but PERF probably covers it. Females have rights too.