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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

here's why critics of trans law are mistaken: Peter Tatchell

12 replies

mimivanne · 17/01/2018 16:34

www.petertatchellfoundation.org/

I'm rubbish at links but I've tried this and hopefully the comment is on the lower left of the page .
What are we all worrying about (irony)

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PricklyBall · 17/01/2018 16:44

"Sometimes, such opposition is based on the false premise that the current gender recognition process provides certain protections, such as preventing men behaving badly in women’s spaces which, in fact, it does not; this opposition rests, therefore, on a misguided belief that the proposed amendments will remove those supposed protections, thus creating a dangerous environment for women and undermining their rights."

Women's prisons, Peter. We don't currently put violent male sex offenders into women's prisons. I don't think the likes of Davina Ayrton should be put there.

"Opponents fail to recognise the distinction between sex and gender identity, which leads to a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means to be trans. Consequently, even highly intelligent commentators have published opinions that are not based on fact."

Neither do you, apparently, Peter. Gender is an oppressive system of sex-stereotypes imposed on me. It is not something I identify with, nor is it something, as a woman, I can identify out of. I can call myself John, but that isn't magically going to give me a pay rise.

"The journalist makes the common error of conflating sex appearance (male:female) with gender identity (boy:girl)"

Try that angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin distinction on a woman who had her genitals sliced off with a rusty razor as a girl (i.e. pre-pubescent biological female) because of her biological sex. Or better still, fuck off to the far side of fuck.

Going to take a break for a bit while my blood pressure goes down.

RedToothBrush · 17/01/2018 16:49

What are we all worrying about?

That the number of unreported crimes by individuals who feel unable/ powerless/won't be believed to report the said crime will increase.

These people are vulnerable precisely because they don't report these crimes. These crimes are invisible because they are unreported.

It does not mean they have not happened.

Those who know that these crimes are real but hidden are those speaking out.

To deny the existence of these crimes is to not believe women, and is to silence them.

At a time of #metoo, its rather crass to say 'what are women worrying about?'

Its deliberately trying to bury your head in the sand and to be complicit.

IrkThePurist · 17/01/2018 16:49

Is it this one?

www.petertatchellfoundation.org/gender-recognition-act-time-for-reform/

I cant see comments, do you know how to screen shot?

IrkThePurist · 17/01/2018 16:53

If you suffer from low blood pressure youmight listen to this;

Men are naturally dominant apparently. 3:06

Germ1360 · 17/01/2018 16:54

Didn't he get criticised by the trans lobby for some reason? And now has backed down and allowed GIRES to post on his site. Never mind, it's only women who'll get done over by this, so who really cares?

53rdWay · 17/01/2018 16:54

Wait but, I thought the reason TIMs needed to use the ladies was because of the risk of men behaving badly in the gents? Is it only a silly misplaced pearl-clutching concern if it’s women who are worried about it?

JustHooking · 17/01/2018 16:56

He makes a lot of assumptions
I don't assume a persons gender identity based in their genitals. I assume their biological sex
I'm not too fussed about gender identity.

53rdWay · 17/01/2018 17:00

Indeed. I am unclear on what ‘gender identity’ even means (some sort of quasi-religious belief in gendered brains?), and I doubt I even have one myself, so I’m certainly not up for assuming other people’s.

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 17/01/2018 17:03

The journalist makes the common error of conflating sex appearance (male:female) with gender identity (boy:girl).3 The assumption that if you see the genital sex, you will know the gender identity, is usually right, but they are not the same thing, and congruence of these different factors is not universal.4 Where there is incongruence, the new birth certificate is a correction, not a lie

This is just gaslighting horseshit. Don't worry, because if he says he's a woman, he is!

mimivanne · 17/01/2018 17:56

Irk
Yes thats the one and I need to learn to screenshot.

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QuentinSummers · 17/01/2018 18:57

germ He got no platformed and called a TERF for being interviewed in a feature where Julie Birchill was also interviewed. Oh and for signing an open letter defending free speech in universities. It is beyond bonkers

EamonnWright · 17/01/2018 19:24

The journalist makes the common error of conflating sex appearance (male:female) with gender identity (boy:girl)

deciding whether or not a person assigned male at birth will be accommodated in the female estate

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