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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

How would this be described?

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Itscurtainsforyou · 12/01/2018 00:17

I've been giving a lot of thought to the trans discussions that have been going on and concluded the following - is this the same as being a TERF? I'm not sure where my views "fit". And I apologise if I'm insulting people, it's not my intention.

  • I believe that some people believe that they are the opposite sex to that they were assigned at birth. I fully support these people in transitioning (surgery etc) into their "true" sex.
  • however I think there is a world of difference between being a trans woman and a "cis" woman - as cis women have been brought up in a patriarchal society with all the drawbacks that being a woman involves. I believe that, while trans women will have experienced their own issues in being trans they cannot understand these issues. And frankly saying the best thing about being a woman is having doors held open for you or you have a great wardrobe really annoys me and completely degrades women.
  • I can't get my head around why people would identify as a different sex but not have surgery. Can anyone help me out with this?
  • I have a hunch that if we didn't have a society that segregated male/female identities, roles etc and we accepted people as people who could dress, express themselves how they want without fear of ridicule (gender fluid I guess?), there may be fewer people wanting to transition to the opposite sex.

Does this make sense?

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PencilsInSpace · 12/01/2018 08:49

While I might quibble with some of your terminology I think you're basically on the same page as many women here. Any one of these points would be enough to have you labelled a TERF by some transactivists, even the first:

- I believe that some people believe that they are the opposite sex to that they were assigned at birth. I fully support these people in transitioning (surgery etc) into their "true" sex.

To avoid being a TERF you have to believe that trans people actually are and always have been the sex they say they are, hence not needing surgery or even hormones.

TERF is a slur and a way of dehumanising women and shutting us up by legitimising violence towards us.

Itscurtainsforyou · 12/01/2018 10:11

Thanks - I'm not sure I can buy into that!

Can you tell me the correct terminology? I'm still getting my head around all of this?

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SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 12/01/2018 10:15

I'd say your views are broadly liberal and tolerant, but they are enough to make the TRA and self-defined 'trans allies' call you a TERF and call for you to be silenced and punched.

nauticant · 12/01/2018 10:24

Can you tell me the correct terminology?

Speaking personally, I grind my teeth at AFAB/AMAB and cis.

I consider the concept of the ... sex ... they were assigned at birth to be a lie with mischief at its heart. At the least it goes against biological reality.

I really dislike the term cis. It is a political, not scientific, label typically applied to stifle the voice of some people with a stake in the discussion where it is often used. There's also the dishonesty of maintaining that women who are labelled as cis buy into the concept of "gender identity" when many don't.

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