Times Up Now Campaign

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I couldn't find a thread on this yet.

Anyone else extremely disappointed in this campaign? It was all over my instagram when it launched, but having read it, I'm now just pissed off with it.

I couldn't copy and paste the text, but I'll put a screenshot.

Basically, we're being referred to as ciswomen, and that transgenders need as much protection and support in the workplace as we go.

While I don't doubt it's difficult for transgendered people in the workplace, why do t they start their own campaign.

All the high profile celebrities and famous people now advocating for them in the same breath, and I'll take a guess as to where the funding for legal representation will go.

So disappointed. Could have been a great campaign to get behind.

Times Up is about vulnerable women being sexually assaulted in the workplace. It was women who had a voice speaking out for those who don't.

So those people on your Instagram feed are now trying to make it all about trans people

www.timesupnow.com/

I thought the whole black dress/red carpet thing was a bit pointless (black armbands would have made the point too), but quite a bit of it (especially women with more financial privilege putting their money where their mouth is, for example) I like very much.

Genuine question for those who don't think that a campaign to end sexual harassment should include trans people: should a campaign to end sexual harassment, and the culture that enables and supports it, literally turn a blind eye to that harassment and that cultures when the victim of it is, for example, a trans woman?

And if the answer to that is yes - how does that work exactly?

Genuine question for those who don't think that a campaign to end sexual harassment should include trans people

Look at the wording of the letter spearheading campaign on page one of their website linked to above: it specifically names and includes the trans community.

The issue the OP referred to is the hijacking of a fully inclusive womens movement/issue perfectly relevant to all women, and its focus being shifted to make it centre transwomen and trans specific issues while sidelining other women. Again.

Why are trans issues front and centre of women's issues and LGB issues?

Trans issues are not women's issues and trans issues are not LGB issues.

They are piggy-backing those issues, then taking them over, then attempting to erase their hosts.

They do this by making trans issues front and centre of women's and LGB right whilst making homophobia acceptable within LGB and misogyny acceptable within women's rights movements.

Trans issues are separate and should be treated separately, coming together only where there is genuine common ground, and diverging again where there is conflict.

It's also the dichotomy in the message from the political lead on this (and it is purely the political lead/message I have issue with):

Transwomen are women, no difference or separation will be tolerated. Except when it comes to actual women's issues where suddenly they're a defined, separate group with different needs that makes them the justified focus over other women.

Genuine question for those who don't think that a campaign to end sexual harassment should include trans people: should a campaign to end sexual harassment, and the culture that enables and supports it, literally turn a blind eye to that harassment and that cultures when the victim of it is, for example, a trans woman?

I certainly do not think that transwomen are immune from harassment.

But what makes this feel like a disconnect, for me, is that so many high-profile transwomen say that catcalling and harassment is empowering.

Paris Lees doesn't stop going on about how hot it is. India Willoughby themself attempted an unwanted pass towards a straight man.

There are many articles from transwomen actually celebrating being objectified.

Because it is validating. And then demanding access to women's refuges. How does anyone know it's not on the same basis? Validation?

Trying to sort out the transwomen who feel demeaned by harassment, and those who court it shouldn't be up to women.

Women are fighting to stop harassment whilst many of the people who want to be included in that are going out of their way to encourage it.

Paris Lees' tweets about wanting to end violence against women and at the same time writing in Vice saying fucking someone who's crying is hot, leaves me very cynical about motives.

I would happily get behind a campaign to end the sexual harassment of trans people. Or any other group. The sexual harassment of anyone is wrong.

However, lumping trans issues in with women's issues makes it sound like women are a minority group and that these are minority issues. When in fact women make up half of the world's population. Almost all of whom will experience sexual harassment at some point. It affects literally every other person. Frankly, I don't want TRAs distracting focus away from the scale of the problem.