"Gender" on a form

[Beltane18]

I have just had to fill in a form for some training

It is a really unprofessional form in the sense that it's poorly formatted etc

but what they did do, very carefully, was to allocate 2 genders, male and female... and then write in the boxes in brackets that Female includes if you transitioned to be a woman - and also the same for Men.

SO ANNOYING.

I can't complain because I will be accused of hate speech at work.

My New Year Resolution- to let no gender box go by un-sexed. The flu box was my first one too! Seems there's a few of us.

On my 8yo Ds's flu vaccination form I crossed out gender and put sex male. I'm tempted to do a SAR to see if they have assumed his gender.

On my teenage DS recent vaccination forms it had to be completed online, but I emailed the corresponding NHS email address asking if knowing the person's sex would have been more useful. Unsurprisingly they have yet to respond.

WTAF - no. The only one who bothered to engage told me I was wrong, as if it was a woman objecting to sharing a bedroom with a black woman (if she had been previously attacked by a black woman) then it wouldn’t be allowed. So there ya go. No point segregating bedrooms by sex - it’s wrong to do so as it accuses all men of being abusers.

No point segregating bedrooms by sex

If anything happens to the women/girls who are put in the same room as a man/boy - who is liable? I hope you have something to say it isn't you.

SpartonDregs

Currently waiting on a response to the liability issue from both my MP and Topshop.

Topshop still emailing me every 3-4 days to assure me my emails very important to them and they will be responding apparently they're currently experiencing a 'high volume of contacts'

If anything happens to the women/girls who are put in the same room as a man/boy - who is liable?

The woman/girl obviously. Like always. She is transphobic for objecting, but if she is attacked its her own fault for not objecting.

The individual is liable for their actions.

The woman/girl obviously. Like always. She is transphobic for objecting, but if she is attacked its her own fault for not objecting.

Yes, I imagine that would be exactly how it would go.

It’s an interesting question. It would probably get recorded as a female attacking a female room mate, in any case, even if it was a rape, so the entire scenario is a disaster. We don’t actually have any way of telling as we don’t collect sex (and frankly, even if we did, I imagine the ‘transwomen are women even if they have penises’ lobby would support intact males ticking the female sex box).
Liability-wise I have raised my concerns with my manager, and in cases where it comes to light that a self identified ‘female’ is trans then I basically lie and make up a reason to give the transwoman a single. This actually makes me more liable as I am discriminating directly against transwomen.

I filled in a form on-line for a running race and it asked for gender - I thought the organisers of a sporting activity would want to know your sex not gender.

We have three gender boxes on our forms. (M, F and U). I have to allocate shared bedrooms by gender, not sex. We don’t collect sex. I don’t have any way of telling the intact male transwomen from natal women, so they are allocated a female roommate. This is fine and dandy for the right on posters who don’t mind sharing a bedroom with a stranger with a penis, but unfair to the many young women who have suffered male violence/ rape etc. Or who are culturally unable to share with a man. Collecting gender on forms instead of sex is a nonsense. And allowing people to selfID is making it worse.

That is really unfair. I would feel extremely uncomfortable sharing with a man and I've no huge trauma. I have been groped, catcalled and similar but nothing more serious.

Surely this is discrimination against women and it can be challenged? It doesn't matter how someone identifies. If you have a penis you're male. It's that simple. And even if you have had SRS you're still male. And TW retain male patterns of criminality. But of course, if women get attacked, assaulted it's our fault. It's so fucked up and I'm getting increasingly angry.