I actually agree with a Tory leave campaigner

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www.david-davies.org.uk/news/transgender-rights-versus-womens-privacy

At least it's someone prepared to stick his head above the parapet.

A lot of what he says sounds familiar, perhaps he's on MN?

And Donald Trump, and the Republican Right, and the Catholic Church, and UKIP.

Odd bedfellows.

Oh dear God. I agreed with all of that.

What is the world coming to?!

Yes I agreed also.

I do like Jeremy Corbyn.

Hate momentum and their identity shite.

How do I reconcile this cognitive dissonance?

DH usually agrees, but is currently tired and grumpy and so read it only to go "Fuck, you all sound really discriminatory and like UKIP."

He is now wondering why I don't feel like happily chatting about generic shit

I saw he was on the TERFblocker list earlier.

Weird innit that the people who seem to be able to see the truth are some right-wingers.

David Davis and David Davies are both Tory MPs.
They are both Brexiters.
The former is MP for Monmouth and the author of the article linked
The latter is the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union. No idea where he stands on Women's rights.

Confusing. But I suspect that right wing folks are fortified better to defend taking an unpopular stance, and less susceptible to peer pressure. The pressure to conform to whatever the current identity politics agenda is dictating seems to be pulling left wing followers around by the nose at the moment.

I take my allies where I can find them on this single issue.

It's similar to some religious and right wing people being anti porn. We might share views with them, but we have very different reasons for holding those views.

Tongue slightly in cheek:

On the stereotypical regressive Left at the moment, if someone is a member of a minority or vulnerable group, no critical thinking need be applied to their situation at all. In fact it must not be applied or you are a 'phobe of some sort. The vulnerable person or group are sainted and must be helped and accommodated, no questions asked. Leads to willful blindness on issues such as transgender rights or patently adult child migrants, especially if it provides an opportunity to point at your enemies and say how vile and uncaring they are.

On the Right, baby-eating and a disability benefit-reducing 'undeserving poor' attitude perhaps inclines a soul to greater willingness to cast an equally critical eye over the transgender issue and see what this new group is actually asking for and whether they should be accommodated or not.

David Davies was one of the few MPs who actually spoke up about the Cologne mass sexual assaults at the time. As a consequence, I have time for him, whether I agree with all his views or not. Jess Philips on the other hand made a comment comparing Cologne to Birmingham on a Friday night or some such.

In the real world I know very few people with whom I agree on everything. There is so much demonising and polarising in politics.

DH and I often disagree on politics - he is more right-wing than I am - but, perhaps unsurprisingly, we are completely aligned on this issue: we both agree with David Davis.

Barracker

David Davis and David Davies are both Tory MPs.
They are both Brexiters.
The former is MP for Monmouth and the author of the article linked
The latter is the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union. No idea where he stands on Women's rights.

The pedant within is compelled to point out that D Davies is the MP for Monmouth.

Its about solidarity I think.

On the right you don't need the solidarity of the oppressed majority to influence the powerful few - you just do a business deal with them over a game of golf. I know I am simplifying, but there isn't that same extreme fear that someone is a 'scab' when you thought they were on your side for right-wingers. The left have to tread on egg shells, using the approved language and references or you might be distrusted and shunned.

I am learning though as the years go by that there is no one on this earth I agree about everything with, no one who wouldn't disappoint me (including myself) and I am becoming more tolerant I suppose (perhaps it is easier now that I don't socialise with anyone I haven't won the porn argument with, and with the new people I meet I tend to avoid contentious subjects to avoid despair), so I don't mind agreeing with Tories about some things. I wouldn't worry OP

I totally agree with everything David Davies said in that article. I think that the majority of people in the UK, Europe, America and the world would agree. Normal people in Britain don't care at all about the whole trans thing its not what their talking about in pubs or at the water cooler.
I'm really starting to despise what passes for the left today's identity politics. Its dividing society by race, religion, sex, gender etc. Its the whole Gramscian idea of dismantling the existing corrupt cultural hegemony and replacing it with something else. For the left that would be a helpful book written by an old dead guy with a big beard about society should be organised. Sadly for those on the left it will be and that old dead guy with a big beard wont be Karl Marx.
How can you integrate large numbers of people from completely different cultures into a society that can no longer even define what's a man and what's a woman.

"Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad"

Most people I knew in Momentum were secret leave voters and then made it not so secret on Facebook on the day of the vote. Jeremy Corbyn put in a weak campaign as leader, just like May did. All of them quislings.

I can't stand David Davies (the dog ate his dinner) and his ilk, including Davis. But at least they are transparent in their views (no pun intended) even though the execution of them is a dogs dinner.

Most people I knew in Momentum were secret leave voters and then made it not so secret on Facebook on the day of the vote. Jeremy Corbyn put in a weak campaign as leader, just like May did. All of them quislings.

Corbyn was so spineless over Brexit. He knew that coming out as a Leaver would put him out of favour with all the young spunky Remainers but rather than stick with his principles and convince those lot that actually leaving might be better, he just said nothing. When you combine that with Cameron's arrogance that Remain didn't need to put in that much of a show because they would win anyway, we ended up here.