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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Something potentially very important regarding sex Ed in schools

59 replies

Ekphrasis · 19/12/2017 09:24

I had no idea guidelines hadn't been updated since 2000. I am quite shocked. Mobiles then were the Nokia 3310s which held about 10 texts and were black and white. And teens wouldn't have had. I still wrote on a black board in School and had occasional access to an ohp. Now screens are everywhere. And the internet, social media etc...

I'm obviously concerned that this is something that is 'got right.' I believe it should also include clear guidelines for primary schools also.

I actually can't believe I recently advised an acquaintance that her developing daughter should absolutely be getting changed for pe in a separate room to the boys in year 5. But I'm not sure there are actual art in stone guidelines on this, hence the School didn't do this as policy ( small rural School).

Anyway, something I thought some would appreciate being aware of.

Sexting to online porn: What should sex education lessons cover?www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-42398911

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guardianfree · 19/12/2017 18:44

Nuffaluff

That's great. - Prickly's list upthread is fantastic. Unfortunately given how influential the trans organisations are to the DfE I can see them attempting to hijack this big time.
Hopefully the issues are so serious that their influence will be marginal - as it should be. Not that that will stop them.

isittheholidaysyet · 19/12/2017 18:46

As well as many things already said by PP's..

That it is perfectly normal to not have sex.

That is perfectly normal to not have sex ever, if you choose. (Even if you are not asexual, but straight or gay or whatever)

That you are not ruled by your sexual desires, and even if you desperately want sex, your brain can resist, and overrule if you want to.

JeffreyNeedsAHobby · 19/12/2017 18:57

Whoever mentioned the boys shaving pubs show - here's the link, it's a really good c4 show with a Belgian lady IIRC teaching Sex Ed in a school in UK www.channel4.com/programmes/sex-in-class . I think the interesting thing is how ingrained some of the behaviours are already even at 15. IMO we need to be starting these discussions earlier. Also agree training should be given to the teacher taking the class - too often it falls to whoever picks the short straw. Often they aren't up to date on theories and signs of abuse for example - e.g The Boyfriend Model.

PricklyBall · 19/12/2017 19:12

I think the "hey, all the cool kids are having anal these days" article was in Teen Vogue.

I'm going to reference the BMJ article about anal sex here - the salient points are that anal sex is being normalised among a young population who hold the contradictory beliefs that if young women are prepared to try it, it must be okay, and simultaneously, that they don't expect young women to enjoy it (which, no big surprise, it turns out most of them don't).

(NB, I have nothing against adults who have experienced consensual and enjoyable sex and learned about their own bodies and what they like and dislike, having as much anal sex as they like if that's what floats their boat - but I do dislike the expectation placed on teenage girls that they must engage in anal sex whether or not they enjoy it, or even if they find it painful, because porn teaches young men that it's an essential part of a man's sexual experience.)

Nuffaluff · 19/12/2017 19:19

Yes Teen Vogue- that's it! Thanks. That's why I need to take my time - so I can find the evidence to support my view.
I know exactly what I want to say as I'm a teacher with 20 years experience - I will have to teach it. I'm glad to have the opportunity to express my views.

PencilsInSpace · 19/12/2017 23:03

Heard a snippet on the radio this morning but haven't had a chance to look at the details yet. Just bumping because I agree this is very important and should be got right Smile

elektrawoman · 19/12/2017 23:16

Yes definitely! Our school is quite forward-thinking but still don’t go nearly far enough when it comes to things like sexting, posting ‘sexy’ videos of yourself online, how you talk about sex etc. DD had to listen to boys in her class talk about which girls they plan to have sex with in future!
DS has come home from school telling me ‘mum did you know you can change your gender’.
Also getting changed for PE - I really don’t think Y5 & 6 children should be getting changed together - many girls are developing, wearing bras, some have started their periods.

BlindYeo · 20/12/2017 23:42

Great post prickly. Totally agree.

As well as consensual and mutually pleasurable, I also feel there should be mention of sex being respectful. Not sure that is precisely the word, but it is the opposite of degrading, which is what a lot of pornography is towards women. In a good sexual relationship the man is never disrespectful.

BlindYeo · 20/12/2017 23:45

I was pleased when my children came home from school having seen the 'sex is like a cup of tea' consent video.

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