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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I might be a bit late to this cisgender thing but help me out here

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lolaflores · 10/12/2017 17:01

Reading a piece about Louis CK and the inherent power imbalance in the world of comedy etc. but added to the list of those oppressing other were cisgender.
Have i missed something here and being thick but how as a woman, born female, can I both be oppressed and oppressor?
Is that the point that is being made here? By dint of being a female with a uterus etc, I am an oppressor?

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MadgeMidgerson · 10/12/2017 17:03

I am also not sure how this works :/

RestingGrinchFace · 10/12/2017 17:05

Well I mean you can be a white woman and apparently be both oppressor and oppressed. These days nobody gets the monopoly on being a victim.

SpartonDregs · 10/12/2017 17:08

Ok so Trans women believe that women [you know, those people with vaginas] are cis women and opressing them because we have such things as periods and babies, and all those other womany things, that they cannot have. And mentioning that women are actually victims, is untrue because it is women's fault that men behave the way they do.

Think I am joking? No. They twist everything to make out transwomen [who are true women, unlike those horrid cis women], have the true problems and cis women are just nasty to them and should die or be killed if they dare to point out anything resembling actual reality of being a woman.

It is a crazy world out there.

AsMenDclaredWomenTheirInferior · 10/12/2017 17:34

@SpartonDregs
If we the assigned female at birth, don't suspend our disbelief for the trans community who weren't and who now claim they are also women,
then apparently according to the trans community we deserve the death penalty for not suspending our disbelief.
Questioning and scrutinizing trans claims is tantamount to treason.
Men silencing women again with threats of violence.
Nothing is new in the patriarchy, same old, same old..

lolaflores · 10/12/2017 17:41

Right then. Am I now further down the pile than when I started reading that article?
Can't seem to catch a break isn't it.

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Ereshkigal · 10/12/2017 22:17

Well I mean you can be a white woman and apparently be both oppressor and oppressed

Except OP didn't say what race they are.

SpartonDregs · 10/12/2017 22:20

@SpartonDregs

Yeah i know. Did you read my post?

NotTerfNorCis · 11/12/2017 00:18

In identity politics everyone fits into multiple categories in which they're either the oppressor or the oppressed, and the categories are weighted differently too. So a white 'cis' het middle-class able-bodied woman gets one 'oppressed' point and five 'oppressor' points. But being trans is more oppressed than being working class, and so on.

pisacake · 11/12/2017 00:44

Basically it goes like this

trans

everybody else

Datun · 11/12/2017 06:11

They claim women have privilege over them, amongst other things, because they have had to work hard for their womanhood, whereas women are handed it to them on a plate. That anything about being a woman is privileged. So painful periods, pregnancy, even abortion. Because they can’t access it and it makes them unhappy. (I have actually seen a transactivist say that a woman cannot be raped by transwomen because you cannot be raped by someone you are oppressing.)

They will then say that they get cat called, harassed and attacked. So they are more oppressed than women, in that sense, too.

Except that doesn’t actually stand up. Statistically a man who transitions stands less chance of being killed than he did before. And it contradicts all the assertions that being catcalled is empowering, as it validates their womanhood.

They also don’t understand the meaning of the word oppression. A specific class is oppressed if there is material gain to be had from them. So black people have been oppressed to extract labour, women are oppressed for their emotional/sexual/reproductive labour.

They confuse it with discrimination.

Plus it’s quite obvious to anybody, that the men who talk like this, are in a massively privileged position. Getting laws changed and imposing themselves everywhere. Because, you know, that’s what oppressed people do.

It’s a manipulative and sneaky mechanism to, yet again, deny the inherent power dynamic between men and women. They strip women of their biological markers, then strip them of their rights to protection, based on the fact that they don’t need it.

But if you point out that, if they are ‘oppressed’, why don’t they campaign for what women have campaigned. DV shelters, rape refuges, protected spaces, etc, you get no answer.

They don’t want their own rights, they want those of women. Because, as everyone knows, oppressed people can always march in and take over the rights of the oppressor.

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