Do men openly negate and demean women?

[whitehandledkitchenknife]

Hmmm.....how does it work out this way round?

What are your experiences whether in the workplace, on TV or at home? Are some men in danger of not being treated seriously because those with negative experiences of women feel the need to openly trash women.

Most men I know just talk about boring shit like football and sports...

stig if 6% of men are rapists, that means when I'm in a bar with 100 men then 6 will be rapists. How do I tell which of the men are those 6? I'm a feminist so I don't have magical deviant spotting powers, perhaps you can give me some tips so I can stay safe?

I'm really not sure what to make of some of these comments.

I was irritated by the original post and can see clearly that if the words men and women are reversed, I think that, "Yes, some men openly negate and demean women".

It doesn't matter that not all men do this. What does matter is that all men benefit, within a patriarchal society, from it. An example of this is the consumption of pornography. An extension of this is the pressure put on women to be sexually alluring and available to men at all times. And if women are not pleasing to the male gaze, they should be silent and keep out of the way.

The message is one of objectification and the rendering down of Woman to body parts. No longer human. No longer whole.

Why do we not, in general, see men objecting to pornography? Because they benefit, consciously or not, from the power imbalance generated by it.

Whether we agree on this or not doesn't matter. What does matter is that all women are impacted by the messages sent out.

I see parallels between this and the current TRA situation, whereby there is a separating out of female body parts from the whole woman. A pick and mix approach, if you like, a distancing from Woman, so that a man can play with the bits he likes and ignore and disregard the rest.

I chose to not alter most of the original, very badly written, question, as, paraphrasing the words of Helen Steel, at the meeting in Cambridge,
'We should not have to be perfect in order to speak'.

I know this because I was there. In all my XX glory.

You'd be better asking the women on here as they are more likely to have encountered rapists (well, in situations where it's possible to identify them). I have, many times, both personally and professionally and you wouldn't be able to pick them out of a line up

However, if I've interpreted the ONS statistics correctly, you haven't I'm 57% more likely to be assaulted as a male (2.2% of males vs 1.4% of females) changing from sexual assaults to general assaults is a tricky move and three times more likely to be assaulted by a stranger (0.4% vs 1.2%). stranger assaults are far less common. Imagine how utterly horrifying it is to be assaulted by a friend, partner, person you trust I haven't been assaulted since I was a teenager and I put it down to common sense. Because you don't understand statistics. Maybe do a course, or read something.

You can usually tell a lot about people from their general demeanour no you can't, having met many many offenders professionally and it's easier to do this if not blind drunk. Possibly true but 50% more than zero is still zero However, I suspect you would call this suggestion 'victim blaming'. Absolutely As most men have encountered violence/aggression from strangers, so have women and aren't generally able to rely on their partner for protection ahahahahaha yeah, those partners who are more likely than anyone to assault women. And we don't go out at all times with a partner, it not being the 1800s or Saudi like many women can, I've talked down men from the ledge who have been about to assault more than one partner and/or friend they appreciate the need to be careful about how they conduct themselves and where they do it. it's literally at the edge of our perception almost all the time

Since you appear to be convinced feminists are vanishingly rare, misguided and on the wrong side of history... why don't you fuck off? I feel about flat-earthers the way you feel about feminists. I don't feel the need to troll their boards.

@Stig
"You'd be better asking the women on here as they are more likely to have encountered rapists (well, in situations where it's possible to identify them)"
Yes that is the thing, we are all surrounded by rapists,!
They are the butcher the baker the candlestick maker and the boy next door.

I have lost count of how many times I have been sexually molested by males at various times in my life.
Those assaults have occurred whilst sitting on the bus, on the train, in the school play ground, in the park, in pubs, in night clubs, whilst walking around shopping on the high street.
I was stalked by a sex pest in the office I worked in and I even had the misfortune to be stalked by a serial killer who phoned my poor mother to tell her he had just raped and murdered me and went into great detail how he had killed me!

Imagine the shock my mother suffered taking that phone call?
No, you can't imagine that you have no idea!
Men are predators and women and girls are their favourite prey and that sums up every culture a female finds herself in.

Maybe I have a better intuition of males through being a male but I can certainly get an idea of which guys are more likely to nut me if I spill their pint.

And 1.2 is 3x 0.4, making men 3x more likely to be assaulted by a stranger.

I don't actually like arguing with people, but flat earthers are harmless. Certain types of feminists are not. They ignore statistics/insight from world authorities on rape like RAINN and try and paint ordinary men as latent rapists despite just 6% (still a horrid figure) being rapists. They try and use these statistics to influence legislature as was happening with American universities being allowed to expel male students with scant evidence - a problem which was recognised and addressed.

I'm not going to stoop to personal attacks or insults. I'll just continue to express my opinion and if I'm talking shit then I'll likely be ignored. However, feminism is a dirty word to many women, likely for the reasons I mentioned above, and women in this country don't want to associate with it.

I'm not denying the terrible things that men (and mainly man) have done to women, but these are a small proportion of men and the answer is not to try and divide the sexes. Most women like men.

And you say "I have no idea". You literally know nothing of my life.

I can certainly get an idea of which guys are more likely to nut me if I spill their pint.

What is the 'rape encouragement' version of spilling someone's pint? In my experience and that of my friends, it has ranged from; being related to, being under the protection of, being taught by, going out with, being friends with, being walked home by, going to college with, marrying, and living next door to. Going to camp with. Oh, and being babysat by. Walking past in the street. Standing next to at a bar whilst not speaking to. Accepting a drink from/not accepting a drink from. Shit this is a longer list than I thought. Working with. Being at a party with. Sitting outside a party with. Oh man, this is pretty much every situation. Public transport CONSTANTLY.

So if we don't go out, or ever have anyone in our place... as long as none of our relations rape us in childhood... we can do the woman version of 'not spilling a pint'. Lucky us.

OMG I just realized that Stig thinks feminists are more dangerous than rapists

OMG I just realized that Stig thinks feminists are more dangerous than rapists shock

Because feminists challenge his ridiculously sexist point of view and rapists reinforce it.

I’m still dying to know how stig suggests we recognise rapists.

Perhaps the reason why stig has not been attacked is because men are most at risk on a Saturday night, clubbing. Whereas women are most at risk if they get married.

6% of men who rape? Where does that come from? I think it's far higher than that, even allowing for multiple cases, unless women are going round raping and sexually assaulting themselves.

I think stig made it up berlioz

datun he did swerve the key question didn't he? One would almost think he's not discussing this in good faith.

I would suggest everyone ignores it

But I'm enjoying your posts too much

@Stig

"And you say "I have no idea". You literally know nothing of my life"

You have no idea what it is like to have sexual predators on your back, everywhere you go!

Most men are not arrested for the sexual offences they commit against women & girls.
Most men get away with them.
All those males who did it to me got away with it and every woman I know have suffered the same fate being surrounded by predators and that is the culture females find themselves in.

If men think they can get away with doing it they will. They will take full advantage of it and other men like you will cast doubt on women's word to help their bro's out and to play down the extent of men's abuse.
"Oh hey women, it's not that bad really, it's just boys having their little bit of fun, because it is fun to men. It's SPORT2MEN"

On a power trip
men get sexually aroused observing women & girls suffer
and that is central to every rape & all other crimes they commit against women and girls.

When a female is raped it should be registered as a hate crime against the female sex because that is exactly what it is, a hate crime.!