Do women openly negate and demean men?

[jackanorybiggins]

What's your experiences whether in the workplace, on TV or at home? Is feminism in danger of not being treated seriously because those with negative experiences of men feel the need to openly trash men. Do women or men trash the opposite sex more?

No, you were telling us to overlook your homophobic limp-wrist comment. Because you said so.

Ok, maybe "wet blanket" would've been more appropriate but I'm here for discussion not semantics. I've explained what I actually meant

"Wet blanket" doesn't mean what you think it means either OP.

This is a thread filled with posters using words that don't mean what they think they mean. Makes me come over all Inigo Montoya

sophocles

Do love Inigo

we did consider as a name for one of our sons

You can't make a homophobic comment and then be annoyed when we aren't all willing to overlook it

Happens, ofc, but what does it have to do with feminism? What comes to mind are those videos of aggressive women taunting men and saying stuff like "you can't do anything, I'm a girl". But how is say #metoo "demeaning", how is speaking up in general "demeaning"? I can well imagine some men might not want to hear it, but they better get used to it.

In my original post I mentioned men who identify as feminists to get laid. It seems a bit odd that posters have assumed I was referencing gay men - they don't normally try and sleep with women.

I can remember a crossword in the Times(?) years ago where a clue was "Enter Mr Jones, self-announced (5)" and the answer was "In-I-go".

In my original post I mentioned men who identify as feminists to get laid. It seems a bit odd that posters have assumed I was referencing gay men

You referred to "limp- wristed men".

Limp- wristed is the classic, insulting stereotype for effeminate gay men.

And "wet blanket" doesn't mean what you think it means either.

To be clear describing a heterosexual man as "limp wristed" is an insulting way of saying he is gay- not that is weak or ineffectual or a bit wet.

Not nearly as much as they used to. About twenty years ago it was common for women to say things like "I hate men" and "Men are pigs". But not anymore. Of course right winger show hosts have always tried to exaggerate and have convinced men that militant, man hating feminists are around every corner, ready to cut their balls off.

LassWiTheDelicateAir Negate, meaning to nullify is exactly what was meant.

@Stig
"In my original post I mentioned men who identify as feminists to get laid."
Stig, what a terrible misandrist you are!
You don't think much of women and you think even less of men accusing them of only agreeing with feminists due to ulterior motives, they are only after one thing, sex.

If you say so OP. I suppose Humpty Dumpty wise words can mean whatever the speaker thinks. What your opening post describes is women denigrating men.

Negate.
make ineffective; nullify.
"alcohol negates the effects of the drug"
synonyms: invalidate, nullify, render null and void, render invalid, make ineffective, neutralize, cancel (out); undo, reverse, annul, void, revoke, rescind, abrogate, repeal, retract, countermand, overrule, overturn; avoid
"legislators immediately took steps to negate the effects of the Court's ruling"

verb: nullify; 3rd person present: nullifies; past tense: nullified; past participle: nullified; gerund or present participle: nullifying
make legally null and void; invalidate.
"judges were unwilling to nullify government decisions"
synonyms: annul, declare null and void, render null and void, void, invalidate, render invalid; More
repeal, reverse, rescind, revoke, set aside, cancel, abolish, undo, abrogate;
countermand, veto, dissolve, cast aside, do away with, bring to an end, terminate, quash, obliterate;
vacate;
archaicrecall;
raredisannul
"the ANC warned that it would nullify the legislation"

If there is one thing i have learnt in mumsnet

Its not to get into a debate with lass over the meaning of words

Like many others on this board lass knows her shit

(I'm fucking terrified....i only use really basic words that i know the meaning of whenever i repy to lass )

If people cry tears because it's pointed it how men oppress, beat, rape and sexual assault women at alarming rates, frankly they can fuck off.

How exactly do we talk about liberating women from oppression without discussing how it's men who have made women oppressed?

So in a thread blaming feminists for saying mean things about men the only person to say mean things about men is one of the people accusing the feminists. But yeah, it's definitely the feminists and not projection or straight lies.

OP it works both ways. You will always have hostility from both sexes until we actually have equality. I find the tit -for-tat that some people try to impose & ‘positive discrimination’ far more dangerous to the cause than any man/woman hating. These kind of double standards cause so much resentment between the sexes. With double standards you will always have a sense of victimhood amongst those getting on the receiving end (men) which turns into resentment and hatred. It’s the same principle with Race as well. If you want equality treat everyone equally.

Stig I’m grateful you’ve been put off the feminist movement. You would certainly only achieve to devalue it with your arrogant, uneducated opinions. I’m sure the weakness you’ve implied yourself by being turned off an equality movement by the words of a few will mean us women aren’t missing anything.

Man (I presume) asks if feminists are mean to men.

Women say no.
Man turns up and insults men.

Brilliant.

With double standards you will always have a sense of victimhood amongst those getting on the receiving end (men) which turns into resentment and hatred

What double standards are you thinking of?

The one where no matter how many women a man sleeps with he will never be called a slut?

Or the one where if he is a victim of sexual assault the default position is he is believed until proven otherwise?

Rufustherenegadereindeer

Thank you!

This is the most thread, but reminds me I'm considering Inigo as a baby name (Jones not M) ...

I do definitely think it's at risk of not being taken seriously thanks to bad experiences and man bashing.
Some people do take it a little too far, almost as if they forget we want equality not superiority x

OP wrote - "Do women openly negate and demean men?"

Do you mean how women (don't) make father-in-law jokes, or how women (don't) make jokes about how bad men are at parking cars? Or do you mean when women (don't) refer to their partners as "him indoors"?

Or do you mean how women (don't) expect men to make the tea instead of making important business or policy decisions?