LGBT trade unionists and allies statement on the GRA

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In the Morning Star.

We believe that fears about cis gender men abusing the system in order to access women-only spaces, suggests that they think that cis women can’t also be predators or abusers.

We are concerned that attempts raise parallels between trans women and potential sex offenders are eerily like echoes from the 1970s rhetoric of “gay men are all paedophiles.” We believe cis gender women don’t get a free pass to abuse people just because they have XX chromosomes.

'Women do it tooooo' - Fuck off!

We believe that concerns around trans men and women in sports are unfounded since those organisations already have their own regulations in place.

And there are already male people winning women's sporting events because they have anatomical and physiological advantages over women. Fuck sake!

We believe the Gender Recognition Act reform will have no impact on statistics of male violence or any other sex-based statistics, because they will be recorded in the gender they identified as at the time of the crime.

Aaaargh!

I was feeling quite cheerful this morning until I came across this gaslighty bullshit

This isn't the first time trade unionists have thrown women under a bus.

It's becoming quite clear that the Left spits upon any woman who doesn't hold the 'right' beliefs.

Considering that shouting names, labels and disgust at any person or community that dared mention having concerns about immigration and refusing to listen or engage with those people led to Brexit...

And that arguably the bathroom bill pulling women's votes away from Hillary Clinton because she wasn't listening is what got the US Trump.....

You'd think they'd start to catch on.

LGBT trade unionists and allies statement - "We believe that fears about cis gender men abusing the system in order to access women-only spaces, suggests that they think that cis women can't also be predators or abusers. We are concerned that attempts raise parallels between trans women and potential sex offenders are eerily like echoes from the 1970s rhetoric"

Transgender male people (also known as transwomen) are a small proportion of the biologically male population. Their supporters assume they pose less of a threat to women in supposedly women-only spaces, compared to the threat posed by so-called "cis gender men".

But even before the proposed gender self-identification legislation has been debated or passed in the UK Parliament and therefore not yet law, I think the number of documented cases of abusive transwomen who have abused women and girls under the current relatively strict legal situation as it relates to women-only spaces, already outnumber so-called "cis women" who are predators or abusers.

I think the situation will only get worse for biologically female people (i.e. the new socially-constructed subset of legally female people) if the proposed less strict gender self-identification legislation becomes law in the UK, because I think the proposals do not contain any barriers to prevent "cis gender men" abusing women or girls.

If the proposed legislation does not prevent "cis gender men" accessing supposedly women-only-spaces, then I think abusive "cis gender men" will probably be more likely than they are now to abuse women, because there will be more opportunities for abuse.

Drawing a parallel between transwomen and potential sex offenders is not usually about implying that all transwomen are potential sex offenders. There are already some transwomen who are sex offenders. I think a more accurate link between transwomen and potential sex offenders is that some transwomen are sex offenders and the proposed legislation about transwomen makes abuse easier for any sex offender. This proposal will make abuse easier for some transwomen who are potential sex offenders. This proposal will also make abuse easier for many other potential sex offenders who are not transgender.

The left has lost the plot. It's genuinely scary.

So, 90% of violent crimes are committed by men (the be-penised variety), and 98% of sexual crimes are committed by men (the be-penised variety). And of the prisoners in the male estate waiting for gender reassignment, approximately 50% of them are sex offenders, and their numbers would be sufficient to cause an 80% jump in the number of "women" sex offenders were they all to be transferred to the female estate.

But "women do it too", "it would have no effect on the stats", "women shut the fuck up and do what you're told". Wankers, the lot of them. (Eyes Labour party membership and wonders whether there is any chance of fighting this shit from the inside, which is why I'm still a member, or whether I should just save myself the monthly subs.)

I'm done with Labour. The GRA is racist and anti Semetic, as well as sexist.

Irk you could add 'homophobic' to that list. The advice to schools from Scotland which was created by the same groups who advised the UK government on the GRA is alarmingly disablist too, and social media from those groups also frequently shows ageism being rife.

What was it Kinnock said? 'I warn you not to be disabled, I warn you not to be old,' and now apparently don't be gay or biologically female either.

"gay men are all paedophiles” = homophobia

People with penises commit sexual (and other) offences in the same proportions as other people with penises =/= any kind of phobia

People with vulvae (AKA women) commit sexual (and other) offences less frequently than people with penises = statistics

It's like they don't understand words.

What. A. Complete. Pile. Of. Shite. And already shown to be completely untrue even by TRAs - any male who has been caught doing shit in women’s areas is, they always claim ‘not really a trans woman’, just a man ‘pretending’.

Women, never forget: your place in the movement is prone

please explain how the GRA is racist and anti semetic?

Maybe women and trans women need to work together to identify the best way to keep cis men out of their spaces, rather than fighting whilst this whizzes over their heads in the meantime.

There is nothing about being trans that means you can't also be a violent criminal
Not all trans are like that but the statistics remain the same as their biological sex
And that's without issues of privacy and dignity

I can't see what women and trans women have that unites them
Perhaps you can enlighten me stig

I would rather unisex spaces than gendered spaces
It's more honest and you know what to expect

They both identify as 'women', CisCucumber.

I was being a bit facetious tbh.

I think the issue is that the general public doesn't associate trans poodles with 'men', they associate them with the LGBT banner. It's thus always going to be very hard to stop somebody screaming "transphobe" as they can just say you oppose LGBT rights.

Trans peoples not poodles.

I don't know a single woman who identifies as a woman
They just are women with individual likes and personalities
I don't identify as a woman. The only think I have in common with the group of people known as women is my biology

I get what you're saying. The problem is that most people aren't interested in identity politics and just vaguely support LGBT rights.

The problem is that most people aren't interested in identity politics and just vaguely support LGBT rights.

Which is why we keep having trans threads on here, spreading the word on SM and in RL, supporting touring panel discussions, writing to MPs, commenting on news stories etc. etc. etc. so that people are alerted to what's going on, what the legal changes will mean for their own lives and how deeply homophobic trans ideology is (among many other things).

And it's working. I first came across intelligent criticism of the transactivist agenda here on MN about 6 or 7 years ago. Back then there were about 4 posters who dared to post critical stuff. Like most people I started from a position of thinking this was shockingly transphobic and bigoted and had totally lumped trans issues in with LGB. But I read and I learned and I paid attention to what was going on and I changed my view. Every day I see more and more people going through the same process and nobody ever seems to go the other way. We have built a fucking army, thanks in no small part to MNHQ's commitment to permitting open, respectful debate here.

rather than fighting whilst this whizzes over their heads in the meantime.

Nothing's whizzing over my head, or most of the heads here. We're on the ball. You, however, seem to have no clue, either about what the issues are or about what actions women are taking to fight the erosion of our rights. Your posts read like 'oh look, some ladies are squabbling, let me put them right with my superior male logic and my testicles of objectivity. All it needs is someone (male) like me to explain how they can all get along nicely.'

You have no dog in this fight. Get back to your sofa and telly.

I've calmed down a bit about the article as I've realised that although it's signed by trade unionists they have all signed as individuals and this is not the official stance of any union.

Maybe women and trans women need to work together to identify the best way to keep cis men out of their spaces, rather than fighting whilst this whizzes over their heads in the meantime.

I have nothing in common with transwomen. And no shared space. Gents toilets are already fine to be used by men as they have stalls and urinals so there is no problem is there? Nothing whizzing over my head mate.