This is all getting too much.

[RadicalFern]

I don't know if I can manage this any more. Like life wasn't hard enough already with the prospect of working until my mid seventies, having to fight to be paid my fair worth, never being able to buy a house, etc. I don't know what to do about all this hatred and erasure of women - I feel totally powerless and miserable at the thought that people who have no share of my life experience are seen as being no different from me, and totally qualified to speak for me.

Of course an MP whether male or female is never going to be able to perfectly understand all of their constituents - how could they? But from a women's officer, I expect a woman, and hopefully an older and wiser and tougher one than myself, because that's who I want fighting for me. Not some whinging teenager who feels free to threaten rape, but then cries "meanies!" when challenged.

And this is supposed to be a great leap forward in our tolerance - what an enlightened society we are! Where anyone can be anything! How hollow that claim rings when you really examine it. And the great and the good shut their eyes to scientific facts and tell us not to be hysterical.

I have been so depressed about this the past few days. I don't see that there is any hope.

They’ve played a blinder with LM. Untouchable. A young teenage girl being harrassed and attacked to the point of their MH is suffering- by mean older women (and bigoted men). A blinder.

I think if we are to protest we have to get it just right. We have to all use the same language so there is no confusion (people with no idea about this think TERFs are moaning about the “old” transsexuals and have no idea about all of this new ideology). We have gone succinct, not use irony, sarcasm, hyperbole but be straight to the point in all literature, websites and signs. It’s not that the information out there right now isn’t superb - it bloody well is however it won’t attract people in. We need to sum up our main points on one side of A5. We need sound bites. I hate that the world is reduced to this but the other side of the war have all of this and we don’t - we are the losing side.

There is constant talk about how others are already doing it but I live in a big city and have never seen anything about this. I don’t have Facebook (other than professionally) so the only place I face this issue (and come across vocal people) is on here and in my old job.
We need to rally together and not be stopped because someone else is already doing it. We can do this, we can.

I do think a fever has overtaken our politics, media and institutions.

I also think it can't last. Transitioned minor regret will be one undoing. And there will be a scandal - Ian Huntley being transferred to a women's prison, or perhaps those paedophile vigilante groups will catch on to what's going on and start targeting the abusers who use trans as a cover. And public opinion plus legal cases will domino topple the entire edifice. Because it is a house of cards.

I think the great success of the current iteration of transactivism is that it has brought together wildly disparate things - transsexualism; fetishistic cross-dressing; GNC children; dysphoric youth - so that you can't criticise the nasty MRA agenda spearheading it without also throwing genuine transsexuals and vulnerable young kids under the bus.

But this is also its greatest weakness. Because the MRA agenda is sexually abusive and violent and insatiable. It can never, ever be satisfied. It will eat itself eventually and we will all cheer.

But it has momentum right now and I don't think we can prevent a great deal of damage being done while it's still in ascendancy. There will be a lot of rebuilding for women because this lot will reduce everything to rubble before finally going down. And I fear for the status of genuine transsexuals at the end of it, too.

Don't despair. Very few people really believe that men can be women. There have been many weird fads in history but commonsense and science always prevails in the end. For example, not so long ago, a good many seemingly rational people, such as Conan Doyle, embraced spiritualism and mediums and even believed in fairies. Not much trace of all that nonsense now.

I think the 5 demands set out by A Woman's Place UK are succinct.
I can't do a link - sorry.

The problem is theyve stolen our language so we cant even say "woman" without a long clarification of what that means.

Or say woman at all. Pregnant people, menstruators, non-male's are a few of the acceptable terms that I've become aware of. It's like living in some bonkers dystopian novel.

Yes those five demands are good.

I think those demands are great.

I do think most people have no bloody clue why women want segregation and why it would be dangerous to have men in those spaces.

I also think about 99% of people have no idea which types of people now fit under the trans umbrella.

And as evidenced by TRAs on Twitter today they just write off anything on Wordpress or Tumblr instantly - unless of course it is support of extreme trans ideologies.

I’m not trying to be picky btw, it’s just that we need to be the majority and we need the majority to be vocal to stand a chance in this war. I’m seeing it from a PR/marketing perspective.
It’s so hard.

Conan Doyle example doesn't relate
he wasn't trying to force his views on anyone
He wanted the church to recognise it and there are now spiritualist churches but I don't think he undermined anyone else in his numerous bits of writing on the subject.

I think it will collapse as knowledge spreads but that will be too late fir women who are attacked or children who have taken meds.

They’ve played a blinder with LM.

I disagree. LM is getting lots of women to peak trans.

YY to the Woman's Place five demands. They are very, very reasonable.

That could be a placard Thermostat. Very Father Ted

My fear is that it's so obvious that men cannot be women that most people don't think this could ever encroach into the way things are.
Right now the majority of people don't have a reason to suspect the implications of erasing women.
Or it's the fact that around half the population are men so don't really give a shit because it doesn't affect them, and of the other half, there are too many who are fully bought into the ideology and in their quest to be cool with it all will sleep walk into a situation where there is fuck all that can be done.
We all need to be suffragettes again.

"My fear is that it's so obvious that men cannot be women that most people don't think this could ever encroach into the way things are."

That's the problem, the majority of people understand that men cannot become women in the same way that they understand that gravity exists, as far as they are concerned no one would be daft enough to believe otherwise.

whitehandledkitchenknife
Oh g'wan.

It is very dispiriting to discover that men you thought were on board with feminism turn out to have hated us all along. It's the glee of discovering that you can insult feminists with impunity, because that apparently makes you a "progressive". You just realise that that loathing must have been there all along. I look at someone like Ed Miliband - who I assume isn't stupid - and think: you too?

The only thing that can be said for it is that it's invigorating. It means the battle lines are drawn. We know who's on the side of women and we know who's on the side of men.

hackmum

What about all the women supporting Lily?

MrGHardy: That's even worse! I think it shows the degree to which women are indoctrinated from an early age into a sense of self-loathing.

Seeing someone like Angela Rayner fawn over Lily and talk about keeping a seat warm for her in the House of Commons is just staggering. Hasn't she seen the rape joke? The lying about what she said to the Times journalist? The comparison of the women-only Race for Life with apartheid-era South Africa? The hounding out of a longstanding, dedicated Labour Party member as women's officer? If she has seen those things and still believes that Lily is a fine role model, then she really is beyond hope.

hackmum

This process is being played out everywhere. Allies, desperate to be supportive, but eventually being unable to close their eyes to the misogyny.

I have seen numerous women talking about having gone through the exact same realisation.

Couldn’t see the problem, why not be nice, they’re just like us, etc, Until, inexorably the scales fall.

Then, after a period of self flagellation, the anger sets in and they cannot believe how they were deceived.

Fortunately, transactivists have a propensity for shooting themselves in the foot and scoring own goal after own goal. The more you engage, the quicker it happens.

The most lowering realisation is why it has to take quite so much for people to see what is in front of their eyes. Either because they can’t, or because they don’t want to.

However, there are enough decent people who will see, who can see, and who will come to see.

politicians don't appear to be paying attention to anything that's a detail at the moment.

i have written to my local MP 3 times about GRA. I'm now going to screenshot some of the things I've seen and add those in but not sure if it will help.

it is possible that he's thinking things over but he would normally send some kind of holding email.

Politicians are scared of saying anything that might offend people --- actually that's not quite right, they are scared of offending men.

They don't give a flying fuck about women - we are the shit on their shoes and we need to be taken down a peg

cafe, I could be wrong of course...but in the context of today's "there's no impact assessment for Brexit" I think it would not be at all surprising to find out that a number of MPs don't really understand the GRA.

In fact, looking over the Hansard notes of the debate gave me that impression to start with!! I wouldn't be at all surprised if those lauding Madigan don't know anything about what's been posted on social media.

RadicalFern

Yup it is horrific. Wouldn't blame you if you needed to take a break.

I have been doxed, slandered, abused on social media and I take breaks too.

There is hope, always hope. Much love to you x

I feel like I'm watching a bunch of gleeful spoiled brats bring down Western civilisation; cheered on by people who are closet male rights activists, but who prefer the virtue signalling that goes with pretending to be left wing.

As so many "male feminists" and left wing men have turned out to be sexual predators, it often may well be a ploy. These girls have been well conditioned to put men first, after all.