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Transgenderism, Christianity - Faith based ideologies

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AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 21/11/2017 09:39

Increasingly noticing that the right on dudes who have vicious contempt for religion are the ones who believe in transgenderism, which is another but far less compelling faith based ideology.

I am agnostic on religion but given that the existence of God has neither been proven or unproven and has been studied by the great minds over centuries, I am prepared to give it more credence than the magical belief that you can change sex.

Musing really, but I can't fathom the thought processes that go on here?

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DJBaggySmalls · 21/11/2017 10:27

Transgenderism is a right wing ideology, authoritarian, anti human and anti biology. It encourages rigid stereotypes for men and women.
It encourages people to be heavily reliant on group think and compliance, to deny material reality.
It encourages people to attack those who don't comply.
It encourages humans to ignore the reality of their minds and bodies, to become reliant on a medical industry.
It discourages human traits such as empathy, free thinking, play and experimentation.

It appeals to authoritarians who use compartmentalized thinking and are intolerant of differences.

Datun · 21/11/2017 10:40

That sounds exactly like a cult DJ.

I’m not at all sure transgenderism is faith-based or belief based. I think it is deceit based.

No-one truly believe people can change sex. It’s quite instantly proven that you can’t.

OldCrone · 21/11/2017 10:44

I think transgenderism does have a lot in common with religion, but it is one that we are all expected to believe in and adhere to. Misgendering is like blasphemy, and anyone who doesn't believe you can change sex is a heretic.
As for thought processes, I don't think there's a lot of thought going into it, which is why we are where we are.

DJBaggySmalls · 21/11/2017 10:50

Authoritarian people need a system to join, to feel like they belong to. It makes them feel more comfortable, plus they prefer to be surrounded by like minded people. If it isnt a church it will be a political group or some other strongly defined group with definite Views.
If they are socially adept they tend to claim they are fighting for rights and justice. But their rigid thinking is exposed when you ask them to empathise with another group whose rights conflict; they have no response, and can only come back with another attack.

whoputthecatout · 21/11/2017 10:58

It has all the aspects of a cult. However, given that it is being espoused also by virtue signalling left wingers (you only have to read the threads on here to know that e.g. alienating posters from their chosen political party) I am not convinced that it is a particularly right wing cult.

Right and left wing extremes have much in common in terms of authoritarianism and general batshittery.

LangCleg · 21/11/2017 12:51

Gender Identity Theory is a metaphysical belief based on dualism (the mind or soul is a separate entity from the body). So yes, it is a religion.

I personally am an atheist. I don't believe that people have souls, gendered or otherwise. Therefore I do not subscribe to Gender Identity Theory. Also, therefore, I don't believe that we should legislate on "gender identity" and I don't see why I should be compelled to submit to the tenets of a religion. Britain is not a theocracy.

I do believe that GNC people should be protected in law from discrimination - on the basis of gender expression, not identity. I do also believe that dysphoria is a real and debilitating condition and that people suffering from it should have access to comprehensive and timely healthcare, up to and including, but not confined to, medical and surgical SRS interventions. I do also believe that it is reasonable to issue GRCs to those dysphoric people who have pursued an irreversible and permanent transition (usually surgery).

But there is no such thing as a pink brain or a blue brain. There is no such thing as an innate gender identity. And to legislate to force me to say this is so - this is the imposition of a religious belief.

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