Would you find this shocking - I do

[LooseWoman1]

That where I live (British Isles) in employment law (in all other areas of law you’re on your own completely) employers cannot discriminate based on trans status/sex change status but they can discriminate on disability or race or anything else other than sex or marriage status.

True story!

Not sure where you've got this idea from but rest assured it's not true.

Government Website

That's not true though is it.

I would find it shocking if it were true.

What are you talking about OP?

It's more shocking that

a) people don't know what protected characteristics exist in law
b) state stuff that is just plain wrong whilst talking about trans issues (ever wonder why people turn off from trans threads because they come across as bigoted?)

and of course

c) that the UK Equalities Act is silent on what happens when there are two protected characteristics in conflict.

So for example, religious expression has been limited, in terms of provision of goods and services according to certain tenets because it excluded a different protected group. No-one was much minded to say 'hang on - is there a better way to co-exist?' so what is essentially the same thing - the smaller protected minority defining the larger one - is the default norm.

As per previous posters, this is definitely not true.

Where on earth did you hear that?

Huh?

That where I live (British Isles)

Well, it started off weirdly anyway - laws vary across the various countries that exist on the British Isles.....

But yes, you're talking bunkem.

Fraid it’s not bunkum www.gov.gg/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=4767&p=0
States of Guernsey- British Crown Dependency

Guernsey does not have a legislation about discrimination at the present time
disabilityalliance.org.gg/campaigning/disability-discrimination-law/

That’s right Marmalade you can discriminate against a person dependent on their race but not on their trans status in employment law in Guernsey

Marmalade so what has the op linked to?

It’s a document on the Government of Guernsey’s advice to employers

So if a Pre operation transsexual wishes to use the ladies toilet at a place of work that’s ok.

But if a disabled person needs any form of reasonable adjustment they can lose their employment.

If a person of colour is denied a job on the basis of their race that’s apparently ok too.

In 2017. In the British Isles (admittedly not UK). In a supposedly forward thinking society!

Male white privileged behaviour is still very alive and well here.

What IS shocking is that you seem to be blaming trans people for having rights and other groups not. What the actual fuck are you thinking!

It is shocking that disability and race can be discriminated against so campaign about that. It's got absolutely nothing to do with trans people.

I’m not blaming Trans people at all. Where did I do that? I’m just on the feminism board pointing out a disparity in this law which favours the interests of trans people years ahead of other people who are considered protected characteristics in other jurisdictions in the British Isles. This has been going on for years, this dragging of feet over other characteristics but not trans people. Just letting people in the wider world know of the situation and my dissatisfaction at (to put it lightly) it.
As trans people are fighting for entry to women’s safe spaces in other places, I’m just showing how they are so far ahead here already.

The point you were trying to make was perfectly clear. You have an issue with Trans people and the rights they have or else you wouldn't have mentioned them at all.

How the hell can Guernsey be exempt from the Equality Act?

Couldn’t read your link. However could read Marmalade’s. I agree it’s shocking to have no disability Laws.

What is the Law on Transgender? Or do you just mean there isn’t a Law against Transgender using toilets?

DJ, because it is not part of the UK

OOOhhhh - I didn't realise you were talking about one specific place within the British Isles, I thought you meant the British Isles in general (which is a whole different kettle of fish)

Yes, well. There are things to be said about the state of the law in many of the Crown Dependencies/Overseas Territories etc. But as independent entities, it's their right to do so, and given their small nature, There are distinct differences when it comes to the way laws come into being, simply because they don't have the same volume of people to manage.

I agree it's a terrible state of affairs - but not being Guernsey resident (or even allowed to be I believe) all I can do is support the call for extending the equalities to cover other commonly protected characteristics

The point you were trying to make was perfectly clear. You have an issue with Trans people and the rights they have or else you wouldn't have mentioned them at all

Absolutely. Guernsey law has sex , as well as sex change, as a protected characteristic but your wording only obliquely acknowledged that.

Guernsey is its own jurisdiction, hence the difference with, say, England. I also live in the Channel Islands and the LGBT community is very vocal, which is why the granting of rights to them has taken precedence over other groups.

It’s not transfolks fault here that the laws are crap for other groups.