Helen Steel's statement about being assaulted on Saturday

[christinarossetti]

Wanted to start a new thread about this because it's so important.

Helen's statement is on her Facebook page. Search Helen Steel.

What happened on Saturday was horrific. Sharing her statement and messages of support much appreciated.

[pisacake]

it was literally the barman who happened to be a special constable as well. they are warning everybody not to go into the 'scab pub'.

[OlennasWimple]

I'm confused - why were TRAs protesting outside the Ripper museum?

[Datun]

Yeah, I’ve had a look at the links, and I must admit, I’m still a bit bewildered.

[pisacake]

I think it's like this:

The Ripper protesters are violent people who like smashing things up, which they did for instance, to a café selling cereal in 2015 (same group). www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/27/shoreditch-cereal-cafe-targeted-by-anti-gentrification-protesters

TRAs also like violence, so the overlap between between TRAs and café-smashing anarchists is around 100%.

[Datun]

They object to a cafe selling expensive cereal? Because it’s indicative of the gentrification of areas and prices going up?

And they’re trans inclusive? Quite heavily?

And some of these are women? Calling themselves 4th wave feminists?

Sorry for all the Questionmarks

[PencilsInSpace]

I'm confused. Are 4th wave definitely linked to Class War?

There have been quite a few protests by various groups at the ripper museum since it was first proposed.The developers told the planning department it would be a museum of women's history. AFAIK there have been protests by both class war women's death brigade and by 4th wave but they're not the same org.

[hipsterfun]

Class War Women’s Death Brigade. Blimey.

[pisacake]

Apparently there is such a thing as tranarchism

"As tranarchists, we believe that the patriarchal heteronormative cisnormative state-capitalist establishment is directly responsible for the oppression of transgender individuals and therefore must be destroyed. The revolutionary tranarchist platform seeks to build a fabulous society (the trans world order) in which our comrades may be glamorous and beautiful without compromise!"

www.reddit.com/r/tranarchism/

Also anarchafeminism

anarchalibrary.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/anarchism-101-anarchafeminism-2008.html

The argument appears to be that as an anarchist you are opposed to all sorts of authority, including inconvenient things like biology.

So the people smashing up cafés are anarchists and are sympathetic to trans because trans are also smashing up boundaries.

The 4th wave women and Class War appear to have links, there's not much distance between. twitter.com/Classwar2015
www.classwarparty.org.uk/event/fourth-wave-london-feminist-activists-group-meeting/

[PencilsInSpace]

Ah thanks, pisa.

[Datun]

Good Lord.

I’ve seen a lot of insane things around this issue, but that takes the biscuit.

What is the profile of the people involved? I imagine they are high up in the privilege stakes.

[OlennasWimple]

What about people who don't want to be (conventionally) glamorous and beautiful? Is that going to be allowed in the New World?

[pisacake]

They started this worthy petition www.change.org/p/provide-free-sanitary-products-in-uk-schools-periodpotential, but they insisted on distracting people from signing it by making it about trans


"All comments after this one criticising our decision to use gender neutral language will be deleted.

It is important to us that we are intersectional and love all of our feminists. You are safe here."

[Bucketsandspoons]

Quite. One wonders what happens to 'cis' people, particularly women, in this idyll. Since this 'anarchism' is actually extreme authoritarianism and fascism in its control of what may or may not be said or where people may set their boundaries, it's incoherent in the extreme.

Which reinforces yet again this is about some extremely troubled people with far too much time on their hands who have lost all contact with reality.

[Bucketsandspoons]

'love all of our feminists' so long as they do what they're told at all times.

[hipsterfun]

I don’t really do ‘glamour’ in the sense I imagine they mean. Perhaps I’ll be sent for re-education

[LineysRun]

Helen Steel has been a heroine of mine since she taught me not to give my dinner money to bullies in my early teens (McLibel)

Ditto

[AssignedPerfectAtBirth]

"in which our comrades may be glamorous and beautiful without compromise!"

Fuck the fuck off with this bullshit and even more fuck off to the abuse enabling women who support these fuckwits.

[LineysRun]

Which reinforces yet again this is about some extremely troubled people with far too much time on their hands who have lost all contact with reality.

Looks like it.

[Xenophile]

They know exactly who Helen is, her wall is a sea of men telling her that her previous activism won't save her if she's a TERF.

Anarchy has only ever centred violent men. And enormously privileged ones at that.

Fourth Wave is behind the times, the original protest over the Ripper museum was ages ago, as was the period justice protest. They are coattailing.

[ArcheryAnnie]

Nothing a woman has achieved will save her from being attacked by men as a TERF, if those men wish to attack.

(See also: Linda Bellos, for crying out loud. Linda Bellos!)

[SophoclesTheFox]

I can't help it, whenever I think about anarchists, this is who I see...

[SophoclesTheFox]

Rik would definitely hate TERFs. Facists!

[PencilsInSpace]

The anarchists I knew back in the day were all limp, flakey, vegan pacifists. None of them gave the impression of having enough energy to commit violence, let alone the inclination.

But yes, a lot of the current crop of young SJW remind me of Rick

[hipsterfun]

The anarchists I knew back in the day were all limp, flakey, vegan pacifists.

With a twist of Situationism, if you were lucky.

Now, you try and tell the young people of today that, and they won’t believe you.

[Bucketsandspoons]

What I keep trying to get my head around is the shouting of terfs being fascist.

How exactly are they fascist? How are they defining that word? How is not fascist to lay down an orthodoxy from which you may not deviate, and rape and death threats may be casually involved if you talk about it wrong?

Is this massive projection and yet another thing that reminds me so much of the behaviour and personality disorders of perpetrators of DA, or is it that 'fascist' these days is about the worst political label or dogwhistle to scream along with overtones of 'Nazi'?