Great article about Transgender Trend in the Mail. Yes really.

[EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5027927/NHS-pressured-kids-change-sex.html

They got Stephanie's surname wrong but other than that, they actually deserve clicks for this one.

Thanks Poppy. Yes I'm aware of that website. Have got some specialist input now but it was very frustrating when I first started with symptoms.

Just had a v interesting chat with my dd12. Can't remember how we quite got onto it. But she told me about this YouTuber called Jazz. She is 11 but living and looking like a girl (though born male). At 7 apparently he told his parents he felt like a girl and they have gone with it. He looks like a girl and his having puberty delaying drugs, drugs that stop his testosterone, extra oestrogen. Doesn't like his genitalia.

Now maybe he is truly transgender.

But I am concerned about how much encouragement his parents were giving, how at 11 he's on major hormonal injections.

My dd thinks She - Jazz - is really cool and cute and accepts totally that a 7 year old boy can decide he's a girl.

We had a v interesting discussion where I talked about how what we think at 7 and 11 is very different to what we think at 18, 25 or even 40. Also explained the implications of the hormone treatment.

I emphasised that males and females can do anything... Girls can do - and are good at stuff seen as boy's and vice versa.

Ended up moving on to homosexuality and bisexual issues with ds9 too. My OH snuck off upstairs

Good chat though!

Is she talking about Jazz Jennings?

Because he is now 17. He is permanently sterile, has no sexual function or sexual feelings, has never had an orgasm will be on drugs the rest of his life and there’s not enough penile material to create a neovagina, because although he has the face of a girl, he has the genitals of a prepubescent boy.

This linked thread goes into more detail. But you might want to gently tell your daughter what it has actually happened.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3074625-To-believe-that-sex-is-not-assigned-at-birth-but-observed

Oh gosh, yes that's them. So, so sad.

Will have to think carefully about how to tell her

Thanks for letting me know though.

My 'd'h is not remotely concerned about any of this, oh it's complex he says. Yes, but it's mostly abusive. Feel.so sad for these mixed up kids.

colouringinagain

I suspect the reason your DH isn’t worried is because it won’t really affect him.

It will affect his daughter though. Ask him how he feels about having fully intact man getting naked in her locker room. If it makes her feel uncomfortable, she is the one with the problem.

This subject is sometimes quite difficult to explain to men. But little bit of drip feeding might get him there.

Recruitment drive? Really concerning.

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/museum-of-transology-youth-day-with-alex-bertie-tickets-39476505290

he has the face of a girl

In make-up, Jazz looks like a girl wearing too much make-up. Otherwise, like many long-haired 17yo boys (and girls) Jazz would just look androgynous.

hipsterfun

Yes, he went through a phase where he did look very feminine. Two or three years ago.

Not so much now, though.
Not that it should matter.

colouringinagain I feel I have had make a pre-emptive strike with my DD's now aged 12 and 14. When I first discussed transgenderism with them they were defensive as they already knew about it through the rose-tinted CBBC programmes. Recently I was talking about detransitioners with them and DD1 said she'd seen a circulated article on social media about someone who detransitioners. She said she hadn't realised that could happen and that gave her much food for thought. DD2 is a more vulnerable personality type so I'm monitoring her social media usage closely.

Oops. Rogue apostrophe in DDs.

Today's article in the Sunday Times
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/new-guidelines-on-school-sports-for-trans-pupils-7cbh8jrqd?shareToken=9389348ba6f55ff3ed50b3acd66a6a72

"rigid views about what it means to be male or female" is quoted as the problem, which of course it is. However the campaigners - Mermaids et al - who presumably will be the primary influencers of the guidelines (to prevent suicide) are the ones setting in stone those rigid views.

But good for The Times for putting the other side too.

So watch out for introduction of those guidelines at a school near you.

Notatfish - good to hear that your DD has seen something on social media about detransitioners.

In the same edition today:

Web porn driving sexual abuse among primary age pupils, suicides in university students, body image anxiety through unrealistic images, crisis in recruitment of child psychiatrists, vitriol for Prof Winston for quoting peer reviewed studies on trans surgery success rates -

Yet no one in authority joining the dots and questioning why so many teenagers feel the need to opt out of their own biology???

Notafish your approach with your dds sounds eminently wise. My dh told me off saying she's much too young.... But she's already exposed to and engaging with transgender issues via what she's watching on YouTube. That has also given me food for thought - how do you monitor your dds social media usage. My dd is a very sensitive girl and stuff like this has a deep impact...

Will go and read other articles...

colouringinagain I'll pm you when I'm off my phone and can access my pc.

Thanks notafish

Can anyone point me to any articles/vids from teenagers/young people who have questioned gender identity and not gone on to change their biological sex. And I guess, those who have regretted it...

colouringinagain

Google Lily Maynard. Her daughter came out as trans and eventually changed her mind. Both she and her daughter write about it.

Thanks Datum really helpful.

colouringinagain

You’re welcome. Also transgendertrend. A website set up by Stephanie Davis Arai for parents of children who are trans.

The Mail has indeed had some decent articles on the trans phenomenom lately.

Has dropped the ball (well, reverted to type) with this hugely offensive article by Peter Hitchens today.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5050887/What-women-gain-squawking-sex-pests-Niqab.html

Yeah I find msyelf agreeing with mail stories about the trans trend an awful lot. Also agreeing with most BTL comments on the articles. Which is so weird for me.

Its good that 'mainstream' papers are reporting honestly on it. Its unfortunate that it seems to be mainly the daily mail or the sun, who most associate with bigots in general...

Another article today:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5050725/GPs-transgender-champions-1m-proposal.html

It’s a pity the Guardian can’t muster some balance, but they’re in a bit of a bind on this issue.

The thing that really puzzles me about the Guardian is when they switch off commenting. They can only be switching it off because there are so many gentle critical comments, right?

So isn’t that telling them what their readers think?

Sounds counter-productive to me.