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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

University censorship of transgender research

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theendisnotnigh · 14/10/2017 07:45

Apologies for the DM link but this is a very clear and well written article (couldn't find the previous thread about this).
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4979498/James-Caspian-attacked-transgender-children-comments.html

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Datun · 14/10/2017 08:46

It sounds to me as though this man had been an advocate of transsexuals. He clearly has compassion, sympathy and a deep understanding of gender dysphoria.

And now he's seeing the people who transition for dodgy reasons all claiming the label trans and seeking treatment.

And his questioning has produced the predictable backlash.

On here, this exact conversation has been going on for several years and I'll say this for Justine Roberts, she has allowed the conversation to flourish. When I realise quite what sort of pressure she must been under to stop it, I for one, am intensely grateful.

Although James Campion focuses on what I think he believes is social contagion/pressure in young women, I can't help wondering whether he also disagrees with cross dressing as a motive to transition.

He's been at the forefront of the movement for years. He must have known that originally AGP was deemed an unsuitable reason for prescribing drugs. And how that has now changed, due to the unquestioning approach to motivation.

And, like everyone else, he has found that the slightest wavering from the party line, will produce a backlash of mammoth proportions.

Given how much of this ideology simply does not bear scrutiny, people will, inevitably, ask questions. However long it takes. Eventually someone will innocently say hang on a minute. And there are very many people in this world for whom bullying tactics will have the opposite effect to the one they're designed to produce.

There's been a reassuring snowball effect lately. That every time someone asks a question the reaction from transactivists to shut that question down, produces two more questions.

The most distressing part of that article is that there are enough female detransitioners told a bloody convention.

Transactivists online have been banging on about how he was denied the research because there weren't enough detransitioners.

Their mendacity is allowing so much harm to proliferate, that sympathy is running out everywhere.

theendisnotnigh · 14/10/2017 14:13

Absolutely Datun .
I am interested to see the positive avalanche of gender critical articles in the press over last few weeks. It's as if finally journalists have realised that the world has been gaslighted by a minority and just perhaps, there might be some truth in the claims of silencing, threats and violence, let alone the fact that women have a point. I suppose actual film of the aggressors in action helped (Hyde Park Corner).

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Datun · 14/10/2017 14:25

Totally. That was the tipping point. People will have a laissez-faire attitude to a lot of stuff, if it doesn't directly impact them, but there an ear twitch if they perceive a deliberate agenda of violent, irrational censorship.

The 'I wonder what it is they don't want us to know' aspect will pique a lot of peoples interest.

hingedspeculum · 14/10/2017 15:25

'The posting of unpleasant material on blogs or social media may be detrimental to the reputation of the University'.

There is the evidence for my comments on the other current thread about self identification being presented as empirical fact on the likes of tumblr, rather than benign exploration and discussion.

I have a relative that never fully transitioned; I cared for him whilst he was recovering from his facial feminisation surgery, but he still presents as male. He has spent decades under the care of a gender specialist and continues to be so, taking into consideration his age, this will probably be the case for the rest of his life.

He will not be the only person with this patient trajectory. His reasons to not transition don't negate the experience of transgender people who do. Similarly to those that regret their decision, there must be research and analysis of their patient experience in order to improve the care they receive. It's the manifestation of blind ideology.

MacaroonMama · 14/10/2017 15:49

I HATE The Daily Mail with a passion (I imagine I am not alone in this!) - but this article seems balanced, factual, calm and non-incendiary. It is as if the material speaks for itself. Finally! The Guardian is getting slightly better but they need to be publishing stuff like this, where the ideas are really explored in a reasonable way, rather than their getting outside journalists to do alternative opinion pieces. So relieved that the tide seems to be turning though 🤞🏻 And I had a reply from my MP today, a positive one! Am out atm but will post his reply on the correct thread later. I feel there is hope! Maybe one day this will be a bad dream...

theendisnotnigh · 14/10/2017 17:51

Agreed re the Daily Mail MacaroonMama. Sadly this is where much of this 'battle' that we really don't want, will be won.
It will be when 'ordinary people' of all political persuasions and none understand that there is a massive (and seemingly well funded) campaign that is not just confined to the rightful aim of eradicating oppression and discrimination against transgender people but has grown into a wholesale takeover of women and our rights. Too many transgender activists are defining what women are (them!), changing our language to suit their ends, threatening and bullying women and anyone who raises questions into silence, as well as oppressing and attempting to eradicate lesbians.
Worst of all, they are encouraging children and adolescents to believe that they can change their sex without any thought or care for their long term emotional or physical welfare, setting adolescents against their parents and those who care for them. Simply in order to validate their own beliefs and choices.
It is so shocking to realise that it has only been a few weeks that the press have started covering this as the tactics of intimidation and silencing have been massively successful until now.

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