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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gender identity changes reality bafflement.

67 replies

Jog22 · 04/10/2017 21:31

I copied this to Facebook, it's very clear. Why do only 3 people respond ? I mean I've only got 65 friends as never been a fan of faceache as it made me paranoid but still, they're intelligent people and I'm not even getting abuse. Ahhhh

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Restingwitchface · 05/10/2017 12:29

It's too long and sounds confusing. I am not surprised people don't 'get it' tbh.

morningrunner · 05/10/2017 12:33

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Ereshkigal · 05/10/2017 12:40

Yes, totally agree with your last post, morningrunner.

jellyfrizz · 05/10/2017 15:12

Can anyone help me with understanding why GRCs would be useful for trans rights after self-identification?

With gender identity becoming a protected characteristic rather than gender reassignment then the protections are already there. You don't need a government certificate to state your religious beliefs, why do you need one for gender identity? Especially if there is absolutely zero criteria other than self-declaration.

Without GRCs it would still be possible to separate by sex as opposed to gender if necessary if someone were behaving inappropriately.

jellyfrizz · 05/10/2017 15:15

We pretty much have self-identification by the back door already, ACAS suggest it is not the done thing to ask for a GRC and that anyone even 'thinking' about transitioning should be considered under gender reassignment protections.

Ereshkigal · 05/10/2017 16:04

Agree jelly. As part of the pushback we need to emphasise female sex rights and challenge this woolly idea. We need to strengthen the sex protection afforded by the EA.

Gingernaut · 05/10/2017 22:09

Transgender girl (with moustache!) is crushing his fellow girl competitors...

mobile.wnd.com/2017/06/transgender-girl-track-star-with-mustache-crushes-female-competitors/

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 06/10/2017 13:15

A woman who isn't hired for a role because she is recognised to be a female of childbearing age will have no recourse if that employer can demonstrate that he hires other 'women' (who could be biologically male but not recognised as distinguishable from females any longer, since sex is no longer a protected measure)

Unless you have some inside information to the parliamentary drafts office about legislation which is not even at bill stage you have made that bit up.Sex and gender reassignment are both protected characteristics. If gender reassignment is changed to simply gender "gender"

It seems to me that in a situation where an employer has 2 suitable candidates one of whom is female but obviously trans and one who is biologically female an employer will have to find a determining factor other than one being trans or biologically female.

There may be trans women who pass - on the small screen Paris Lees and Blaire Whyte do but do many? Unless "sex" is deleted from the legislation I think your scenario here is fanciful and alarmist which might explain the lack of uptake.

Btw it is "supersede" not supercede. (Sorry it's a pet hate of mine but if you are aiming for an authoritative tone it grates)

jellyfrizz · 06/10/2017 14:07

It seems to me that in a situation where an employer has 2 suitable candidates one of whom is female but obviously trans and one who is biologically female an employer will have to find a determining factor other than one being trans or biologically female.

I'm confused with 'female but obviously trans', do you mean a trans man? But they would be counted as a legal man, not a legal woman.

A female who identifies as a female would not be considered trans.

jellyfrizz · 06/10/2017 14:10

And how can we monitor trans discrimination if they are legally not trans but man or woman on all data?

jellyfrizz · 06/10/2017 14:11

I'm so confused as to how this is a good thing for anyone.

JoanneCoften · 06/10/2017 14:24

Most people I know simply aren't interested.
If you mention how women and girls are being thrown under a bus in terms of their rights, well, it sounds so preposterous that it's disbelieved.
It's only a very few people who will take the time to find out what's going on, but their views are seen as extreme and over-dramatic, so again, preposterous and "tsk, feminists, so militant and on the lookout for another cause" and belittling assumptions that those of us who are worried are mentally ill "are you usually this anxious?"
It doesn't surprise me at all that posts like this are gaining little attention. People are good at ignoring a situation until it becomes too big to control.

OlennasWimple · 06/10/2017 14:26

And how can we monitor trans discrimination if they are legally not trans but man or woman on all data?

Agreed. One thing that TRAs really ought to have learnt from previous equality activists is that proper data helps identify issues, effective interventions and success stories. Feminists and black activists will tell them that without being able to name and quantify the problem, policy solutions are nigh impossible.

Similarly how can we review the long term health impact of hormone therapy and surgical intervention without keeping proper records? Not necessarily identifying things that are a risk, but also unexpected benefits (given that so many medical breakthroughs have come about through chance)

mumside · 07/10/2017 22:08

I don't understand?? Less than half a percent of people are transgender, why should the law be skewed in favour of such a tiny minority of people??

busyboysmum · 07/10/2017 22:18

It's bonkers and makes no sense. But at the moment they are shouting louder than the 50% of our population whose hard won freedoms are gradually being eroded away.

mumside · 07/10/2017 23:11

I think we should ban peanut butter because it makes my nephew swell up

busyboysmum · 07/10/2017 23:29

Done. I actually self identify as that happening to me although there is no physical reaction. I just feel like I am allergic to peanut butter. So it must be true.

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