A conundrum

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If a non binary /a-gender person needed a refuge..... where would they go?

Even if they were ‘assigned female at birth’ being a-gender means they don’t have a gender so they couldn’t go to a women’s refuge as that wouldn’t correlate with their a-genderism.

Would going to a women’s refuge make them hypocrites?

I agree with you Datun - but I think my point is perhaps the other round.

Intersex people might have a transgender identity. Intersex people have congenital genetic/chromosome/hormonal variants that trans activists, as you say, have co-opted, invoking that sex is not a binary to their advantage.

For many intersex people finding out that they have one or more of these variants might not be at birth with genital ambiguity, but at puberty or even when they are trying to have their own children. The majority of intersex people have a gender identity that matches their sex - which is still sexed (for many) as male or female (with a peer-led move towards not describing this as a disorder of sex development but as sex variants). The model of transgenderism (innate sense of gender incongruence against sex) still could apply to intersex people.

My point was more about a transwoman stating that they are female because they have a female penis etc but we don't see a trans person identifying as intersex. They can claim female biology and discredit the non-variant genetic/chromosomal/hormonal basis of being female, but not for the variant. Because it doesn't make any sense.

I have seen arguments by trans people saying that they presume themselves to be intersex as legitimising their gender identity; often accompanied with "when did you last have your chromosomes checked?" nonsense.

Their sense of gender incongruence of course has to be assessed against their testimonial (trans people of course exist), but you can't then extrapolate that to your testimonial about biology. When I was writing manuscripts for oncology journals I didn't cite Susan Sontag mid analysis of anthracylcine regimens.

It is piss poor.

hingedspeculum

I wish I could trot you out whenever I needed you!

I agree with everything you say, well, the bits I understand.

Also, from what I gather, there are at least five (?) types of condition under the label intersex, including PCOS?

But you're right, the transactivist argument is all about chromosomes. And whether or not we have all had them checked.

My argument would be, no we haven't, and until you do, fuck off out of my bathroom.