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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Changing sex on birth cert vs birth ratio

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MarthaArthur · 16/09/2017 11:24

There is a a lot of talk in the media lately about how some people feel they should be able to decide theor own sex or put X gender neutral non sex specified on their childrens borth certificates but is this dangerous? I have been reading a lot about how pollution could be causing an unequal birth rate amongst boys and girls. Wouldnt this be dangerous for mankind if their is a source of something messing up the birthrates but we can no longer data check it because birth certificates will no longer tell us. Would.love to hear other thoughts. :)

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MarthaArthur · 16/09/2017 11:25

Oops sorry for spelling errors im on my phone and bad at typing.

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Datun · 16/09/2017 12:31

I'm not sure it would affect birth statistics, as the number is relatively small.

I can't see it becoming mainstream, either.

MarthaArthur · 16/09/2017 12:38

Hi thanks for your reply. I dont think it will actually catch on in a big way but I read about someone possibly a Canadian who registered their childs sex as X and was legally accepted? I just wondered if theoretically loads of people start having genderless birth certs then we would be unable to keep up with genuine environmental impact on girl to boy ratio.

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retreatwhispering · 16/09/2017 13:58

I could actually see this catching on and becoming an easy way to virtue signal. So think it shouldn't be allowed, for all the reasons you explain OP.

Particularly when it comes to children.

MarthaArthur · 16/09/2017 14:04

There seems to be a story online today on this morning, a woman saying her child is transgender and she is fully sipporting them. But how can they know thats not a normal childhood phase. Every kid at my school went through that phase but they werent immediatly classed as trans and wanting every detail of their birth sex changed. Is scary as maybe pollution could be the cause of people becoming trans in the first place. Didnt they once discover certain plastics and hairspray affected boys development in the womb?

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BetsyM00 · 16/09/2017 14:56

A lot of the time we use the markers of sex to identify and address inequalities between the sexes eg. education, job roles, pay, access to services, research and statistics, criminal records, social planning. If birth certificates with X became the norm we would effectively lose all the benefits of sex discrimination laws. We would be unable to identify, for example, that girls are under-performing at STEM subjects and thus put in place counter measures. Probably not dangerous for mankind but, since we do not have true equality of the sexes, certainly detrimental to females.

As in your example though, it is essential to know sex in the field of medicine. Disease, illnesses, chemicals and drugs can all effect males and females in quite different ways. We can't appropriately treat or accurately research without recognising biological differences. From giving certain vaccinations only to girls to recognising the different signs of heart attacks in women. I can imagine a time when it is considered unnecessary to do smear tests since cervical cancer rates have dropped so much, not realising the proportion of men in the studies! So, dangerous to ignore sex, yes absolutely, but probably would only adversely affect women.

It is absolutely a feminist issue and hopefully X birth certificates won't become mainstream. Otherwise, add it to the battle list!

What was the outcome of the Canadian case? I'm sure I read that although the child was registered as X, an actual birth certificate would not be issued until the sex was declared.

BetsyM00 · 16/09/2017 15:04

Oh, and sport of course. How would we ensure safe and fair competition between Xs?

MarthaArthur · 16/09/2017 15:05

Thats a really good point raised as well. Its also probably concerning for sports too as women and men could then be placed in the same race with one having an advantage over the other which is concerning. And as you say discrimination laws being rid of. The Canadian case I am unsure of how that ended i will look it up. Wasnt it on par with the new canadian law that says people can self identify without seeing a dr

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Datun · 16/09/2017 15:57

MarthaArthur

The ship has sailed with men competing in women's sports. Many men are identifying as women and beating natal born women.

gendertrender.wordpress.com/?s=Women%27s+sport&submit=Search

Likewise male rapists identifying as women and being transferred to a female prison (where they have to be segregated because they are predating on the women).

www.thesun.co.uk/news/4400327/transgender-rapist-womens-prison/

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