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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

How do you stand up for what's right when the abuse you receive for it is terrifying?

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wowl · 01/09/2017 10:09

A friend of mine posted something on FB today about transwomens 'periods' and some guff about the 'gender differentiation of the brain' occurring around month 5 of pregnancy Hmm

I posted a very mild response to it but I've seen people doxxed and sent death and/or rape threats for less so after posting it I'm now shaking. It's terrifying and the reason I've never before commented on this sort of thing. Short of not caring if you lose all your friends and have your reputation destroyed, how do you fight this bullshit?

I don't think I'll have the strength to try this again to be honest :(

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bambambini · 01/09/2017 16:12

Wait till it starts affecting them personally - their daughter loses out to a TW in sport or such.

SpaghettiAndMeatballs · 01/09/2017 16:15

How do they know who to kill.

That is the best question. This hormone wash nonsense, this pink/blue brain garbage, none of this matters when the people sex-selectively aborting choose who to kill (and I say people here, not women, because in the places where this is happening, the women don't have the free choice we do here)

GraceMarks · 01/09/2017 20:13

An acquaintance of mine, who I thought was a sensible feminist type, posted a link on Facebook to a charity which donates sanitary products to foodbanks. She added an entirely unnecessary proviso that "not all women have periods (true enough) and not all people who have periods are women (erm...)" but this apparently wasn't enough and before long there were comments to the effect that the charity was "transphobic af" because they dared to use the word "women" on their literature. I was about to chime in on the side of the charity when the OP did this big grovelly apology for posting it in the first place and agreeing that it was "problematic". On reflection I was glad I didn't comment as I'd been planning to. I really hate all this language policing that only seems to apply to women - feminist women - but I don't feel like I have the mental strength and energy to argue the toss with people who are basically intellectually bankrupt.

bambambini · 01/09/2017 20:39

You could join them and share some ridiculous examples. Like congratulate Laurel Hubbard, Gabrielle Ludwig and Fallon Fox for doing do much for TW in sport - with some pics.

Or ask them to start a petition in support of TW Tiffany Scott to not be misgendered and be moved to a women's prison.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/1492364/transgender-prisoner-tiffany-scott-andrew-burns-dangerous-sheriff/

VestalVirgin · 01/09/2017 20:57

You could join them and share some ridiculous examples. Like congratulate Laurel Hubbard, Gabrielle Ludwig and Fallon Fox for doing do much for TW in sport - with some pics.

Yeah, that's what I sometimes do - instead of opposing them, join them, and write things like:

"The Wonder Woman movie is transphobic! As if any woman living on an island with no men would never have seen a penis! Transwomen are women! And there's no cotton ceiling in Wonder Woman's panties! Also, she's a transwoman!"

bambambini · 01/09/2017 21:08

Lol. You could post this, saying you are going to lobby your kids school to include this in the ciriculum to educate the kids on Trans inclusion.

How do you stand up for what's right when the abuse you receive for it is terrifying?
OlennasWimple · 01/09/2017 21:24

I stuck my head above the parapet recently commenting on a "pink brains" post. I wish I hadn't... (Does anyone have a good link to a scientific paper refuting that gubbins, in case I get brave again and go back there?)

bambambini · 01/09/2017 21:36

Spoke about it recently to quite a few folk - everyone (bar 1) was silently and not so silently critical. Most folk don't buy the whole nonsense the TAs are pushing.

DJBaggySmalls · 01/09/2017 21:54

OlennasWimple
This is quite good, the article is in plain English, and links to the study.

www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-no-male-female-brain-20151130-story.html
Using several criteria, they repeatedly found that consistently male or consistently female brains were rare, and brains with features related to both genders were common.

There is no sharp division between male and female brains, according to researchers who found that we are all a mixture.
www.theguardian.com/science/2015/nov/30/brain-sex-men-from-mars-women-venus-not-so-says-new-study

Brains are also very plastic and adaptive, this study is about recovery from strokes but there are other examples including London cab drivers.
scienmag.com/brains-are-more-plastic-than-we-thought/

Rumandraisin1 · 03/09/2017 13:24

While we're discussing links to share, can anyone point me in the right direction of a couple of articles that I remember seeing (and despairing about) but can't find again because I can't remember the full details:

  • a newspaper article stating that statistics showed that women were committing an increasing number of violent crimes/murders where all the examples given were MTT but with absolutely no reference to the fact that they were MTT and that this might actually explain the statistics
  • the MTT who was the first 'woman' ever to achieve a certain position in the armed forces - when it was something they were only able to achieve because they were a man. (It was a big story but I can't remember the name).
DJBaggySmalls · 03/09/2017 14:49

Rumandraisin1 I think the first article you want is this one.

Increasing number of female sex offenders; the photo is Lisa Hauxley who also uses names Lisa Lacey, Lisa Hauxwell, Craig Hauxwell
www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/truth-female-sex-offenders/

Rumandraisin1 · 03/09/2017 15:23

Thanks - I'm trying to keep a note now of relevant articles/information so that I can refer to them as examples.

I know plenty of people do eventually change their mind on this issue so it's worth persevering (where it is safe to do so) - even if it does feel like hitting your head against a brick wall most of the time.

TalkingintheDark · 04/09/2017 01:28

I think if you google "Chloe Allen" you'll find the armed forces case you were looking for. I can't bear to look at it again, I just can't deal with the lies and double think. Britain's first "female" infantry solider, revealed "she" was born a boy. No shit, Sherlock. It's not like the photos would have given any clue.

Ttbb · 04/09/2017 02:07

Grow a spine.

TalkingintheDark · 04/09/2017 02:25

Piss off.

Rumandraisin1 · 04/09/2017 18:50

Thanks TalkingintheDark. I look forward to hearing about even more amazing progress for women in the next few years - all for women with penises but that just makes it even more progressive!

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