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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Family where mum is daddy, dad is mummy and son, 4, is being raised as gender neutral

43 replies

MineKraftCheese · 13/08/2017 10:39

Can't get my head around any of this.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/family-mum-daddy-dad-mummy-10978802.amp

*Asked by our reporter if he is a boy or a girl, he says he is a boy. But he changes his answer when Nikki interjects with: “Or are you just a person?”

She adds: “We don’t tell him who to be. We let him lead us.”*

Nikki identified as lesbian when she first met Louise, who was then male, at an LGBT meeting in 2011. They wed in a Pagan ceremony in January 2012.
Nikki says: “I don’t fall in love with someone because they’re male or female. It doesn’t matter to me what they’ve got between their legs.
“It’s the mind, personality and soul I fall in love with, not the body.” She identifies as pan­­sexual and dresses masculine some days, while on others she will wear “high heels, a padded bra and lipstick.”

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Datun · 13/08/2017 12:11

The dad get his rocks off wearing women's clothes and the whole thing is legitimised under the progressive term gender fluidity.

The fact that they have no idea that they are actively reinforcing gender roles just shows the whole thing up for the nonsense it is.

PacificDogwod · 13/08/2017 12:15

People are so confused about sex, gender, gender stereotypes, gender 'fluidity', cross-dressing, transsexualism, transvestism, etc - never mind really mind boggling concepts like auto-gynophilia.

This is a little boy who likes different things, and changes his mind from time to time what he likes. Big whoop.

I am no less of a woman just because I much prefer wearing trousers over skirts.

MineKraftCheese · 13/08/2017 12:17

This idea that if you're a woman you love wearing high heels because it's an innate urge within your very soul. Well, no, they were invented by a man

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Mide7 · 13/08/2017 12:21

Good luck to them

whoputthecatout · 13/08/2017 17:44

Makes sense - screwed up adults raising a child to be a screwed up adult.

Their business if they want to live a fantasy life - but their child deserves better.

Datun · 13/08/2017 19:01

A year after Star’s birth they lost a second son, who died of a kidney problem at 21 weeks. They have since had a doll created from a picture of him, which Star often plays with.

Wtf? Maybe I'm old-fashioned. But I can't help thinking that dignity and respect do not translate to a doll, with your late child's face, for your son to play with.

Thankfully this has never happened to me, so someone might tell me I'm out of order.

PacificDogwod · 13/08/2017 19:26

Well, many parents screw up their kids, but most of them don't make it in to the papers.

I dunno, I am quite happy to allow all sorts as part of the rich tapestry of life, but just get on with it!
This navel gazing and attention-seeking really makes me roll my eyes.

And the whole gender conversation is getting more and more absurd and dangerous to hard-won women's rights.

OhOhDearling · 13/08/2017 19:29

So - the child's father is transition to be a woman, and the child's mother sometimes likes to dress up as a bloke. So far so good. The bit that doesn't sit right with me is all this fuss about the child being gender neutral/gender fluid. When child seems to be a perfectly happy lad that sometimes likes pink and dolls.

SpikeGilesSandwich · 13/08/2017 19:45

Crikey, I never wear lipstick and can't remember the last time I wore a dress, I must be a bloke! Who knew!

pombal · 13/08/2017 19:53

Star thinks he can be a boy or a girl.
Except he can't can he? He'll be one or the other and doesn't get to choose.

Transgender youth are being fed such lies by social media and clinics telling them transitioning will solve all their problems.

Imagine being a woman with a dick or a guy without one.
As far as I can tell being a guy is all about your dick, they're obsessed with it!

What could fuck you up more than having to live like that.

But still transitioning, choosing your gender is presented as if it's like choosing your hair colour to a child of 4, who couldn't give a flying fuck if they are male or female anyway. Why?

Sandsnake · 13/08/2017 19:58

From the small amount of detail given in the article it sounds like the 'Mum' (birth father) is genuinely trans. They seem to be a happy family, who love each other. They're bringing their little boy up to challenge gender stereotypes by allowing him to play with the toys he enjoys and wear clothes that he likes as opposed to the societally imposed 'pink is for girls' bollocks. I think this is positive on the whole.

What seems completely unnecessary and potentially damaging is the 'you might not be a boy' narrative. The child should be treated as a boy who is expected to grow into a man. This is the biological norm and what will happen with the majority of people. He should be told that liking pink does not make him any less of a boy than his peers rather than it being something that might mean that he's actually going to grow up to be a woman.

3littlebadgers · 13/08/2017 20:03

I worry that the child is being used by the parents as a way of normalising their own insecurities.
If the parents themselves identify a certain way, more power to them I hope people can respect their choices, but I don't think it is right to enforce it on their child then make a big thing of it with school and with the media, because actually is it a big thing?

I would guess that the majority of children play/ have played with all kinds of toys. At the moment my daughter loves playing football and my toddler son loves pushing a pram around. Organic choices by them which bare no significance to me on their gender. School have not been informed nor has the local press. I just don't get it.

BluePheasant · 13/08/2017 20:05

He "chooses" everything himself does he? Yeah, of course he does Hmm

According to the article he answered that he was a boy and this was questioned by his parents saying "or are you just a person?".

Says it all to me. He's not taking the lead in this, his parents are.

CoteDAzur · 13/08/2017 20:09

"Asked by our reporter if he is a boy or a girl, he says he is a boy. But he changes his answer when Nikki interjects with: “Or are you just a person?”"

Ffs they are fucking up that poor little boy.

PacificDogwod · 13/08/2017 22:10

I worry that the child is being used by the parents as a way of normalising their own insecurities

This.

Penfold007 · 13/08/2017 22:25

Person with penis and testicles impregnates person with uterus and ovaries. Penis person identifies as 'mother', uterus person as 'father', Child gender neutral but needs underwear that allows for male genitalia.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 13/08/2017 22:53

Sandsnake

From the small amount of detail given in the article it sounds like the 'Mum' (birth father) is genuinely trans

From the article

Louise, 31, has lived as female since a year before Star was born, having felt she was a girl from the age of eight

Since when does living as female involve impregnating another woman?

Datun · 13/08/2017 23:16

Since when does living as female involve impregnating another woman?

Snort!!!!

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