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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Kidnapped Model Sold on Dark Web Released Because She Is a Mother

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Terfing · 07/08/2017 23:10

Sorry for the click bait-style title, but I couldn't think of how else to word it!

Has anyone been following this story? The model has since been named and is now speaking about her ordeal. I really can't believe that horrors like this are just a few clicks away! Sad

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DJBaggySmalls · 08/08/2017 00:44

Italian police have released some info about her kidnapper. It sounds like he lured her over, held her against her will, and tried to make himself sound like he was a member of a large organisation.

''Officers were quoted by local media as describing him as a “dangerous person with traces of mythomania”.''

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/07/man-accused-of-abducting-british-model-chloe-ayling-a-fantasist-lukasz-pawel-herba-italian-police

I do sometimes wonder how many kidnapped women there are.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 08/08/2017 01:19

It was mentioned in a now deleted AIBU thread- a bizarre and eventually quite nasty thread about someone's daughter being contacted on LinkedIn to be a topless waitress at a London club (supposedly a genuine club rather than a "gentlemen's club" and it was all a bit of a laugh according to the OP )

QuentinSummers · 08/08/2017 07:52

I was just listening to a model being interviewed on the radio about how these women who are new to modelling are quite naive (my word not hers) and should be more aware of the risks. Apparently glamour modelling is very risky. At no point was there any conversation about how to stop men kidnappping/assaulting women. It's almost like they are a force of nature.

Also, yesterday the reporting of this was getting right up my nose as it was all "alleged kidnapping" and "claims she was kidnapped". I didn't understand why it was being reported in that way. However now the media are implying it was glamour modelling I guess that makes more sense. Clearly there's a chance she asked to be drugged with ketamine and put in a bag by a total stranger Hmm

The whole thing is really upsetting me. What planet do we live on where a man thinks it's ok to kidnap someone to auction them on the dark Web and we have to talk about what she could do to avoid that.
Angry

GinIsIn · 08/08/2017 07:54

I don't think people are doubting her story for misogynistic reasons though. I think it has more to do with the massive, glaring inconsistencies in her story Confused

SummerKelly · 08/08/2017 07:59

Comments in The Times were about how she wasn't presenting as they thought she should, skimpy clothes and too together apparently. I was Hmm but I haven't read enough about the story to make any sort of judgment. I don't like the sentiment though that there's only a limited number of ways for women to behave to be believed - I've seen this before around arguing women are not upset enough to actually have been sexually asssulted.

Terfing · 08/08/2017 09:11

The AIBU thread on her is horrible- so much sneering and victim-blaming. I bet she wishes she had stayed anonymous now. Sad

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lookatmeimsandrabee · 08/08/2017 11:33

The problem is slut shaming is so easy to do, reading some of the comments it seems like my ex had written them. Yet I am betting he is happily ogling the poor girl (and I think girl is appropriate as I am 3 times her age). I understand why people can be jugdey, after all my concept of other women was, is large part, shaped by the family I was in and how the men would view it. If I disagreed I would be taunted about being stupid because I didn't agree. I wonder how many women posting about this have had their opinions shaped by a man?

QuentinSummers · 08/08/2017 19:09

I've read on it now and there are shades of thinking she hasn't behaved like an appropriate victim (despite us knowing about Stockholm syndrome) which has shades of how Joanne Lees was treated to me. And look how that ended up. Ooh yes, she was telling the truth.
Predictably the newspapers seem to be revelling in posting pics of her in her smalls.

ChampagneCommunist · 09/08/2017 07:36

The media uses "alleged" before a person is convicted so as not to run the risk of being accused of libelling or slandering the accused.

Terfing · 09/08/2017 19:45

The amount of comments about her choice of clothing is shocking, but perhaps not surprising. Sad

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WhereYouLeftIt · 10/08/2017 22:25

I didn't think the story hung together either, but my thoughts were on a totally different track. Why lure a Brit to Italy, why not just kidnap an Italian? Letting you go because you're a mother, it's against our rules - WTF?

My theory was that it was entirely personal - someone hated her enough to want to put her through the wringer. Or, someone hated her agency enough to want to put them through the wringer and maybe collect a ransom.

But fantasist arsehole trying to gaslight her into falling at his feet with gratitude - that hangs together.

UnFuckingAcceptable · 14/08/2017 14:25

I started a thread about this that was subsequently deleted.
I started it because I had read something on twitter but, as I don't watch the news, didn't know any details.

I thought the thread was deleted because it was an ongoing case. I don't know if any of the replies were bad.
Nobody I know is worth talking to about it because they are so disgusting when discussing the situation.

I work in a school and we have had visits in the past from a charity that assists victims of people trafficking and helps families of those who have gone missing.
Slavery is real and profitable to this day.
There are examples all around of people being tricked, manipulated and abused and yet so many cast doubt of this young woman's story because of her chosen career, dress sense or because she doesn't behave the 'right' way.

Awful.
Planning to watch interview from today's This Morning programme.

When the charity I mentioned came to our school, they said many victims had been taken after answering ads for au pairs or fruit pickers. This was some years ago. Bloody scary.

The poster that said why not just take a local girl? Weird comment. Who knows but thinking that is strange doesn't automatically mean that the 'story' isn't true.

I hope this girl is able to get on in the future and recover from the whole thing.
Hopefully other young people will ensure they check out agencies and details before travelling to a different country.

DeleteOrDecay · 14/08/2017 22:26

Apparently victims are supposed to abide by some sort of unwritten code otherwise they are not deemed 'victim-y' enough. Disgusting that in 2017 women are still having to battle against these ingrained perceptions.

DeleteOrDecay · 14/08/2017 22:30

Re: her being a mother; in the traffickers and their 'customers' eyes the fact that she has carried and given birth to a child means she's not seen as a 'top quality product'. Rather than them feeling sympathy for her. I feel sick writing about her like that but that's how these scumbags view women, they are nothing more than stock to them.

UnFuckingAcceptable · 14/08/2017 23:14

Delete. Thought the same thing myself.

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